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I didn't condemn him.

As a pastor, he doesn't get a free pass. We are to test what he says and does in accordance with Scripture. If his actions and teachings don't line up, then he is to be held accountable.

Would you be upset to learn that the warm shower the Nazi prison guards promised you turned out to be a gas oven used for the purpose of your torment and extermination?

You would be happy and thankful...decieved right up until the point of destruction.

Would you be upset, if you watched people being duped and gladly get in line for these "showers"?

It is upsetting to see people lined up behind a false gospel.

And...You didn't answer the question. How are you going to tell the difference between Satan masquerading as an angel of light, along with his demons masquerading as servants of righteousness, and the real angels of light and the real servants of righteousness?

...but they looked like showers!

I have no interest in dicussing dogma with you. I am stating as clearly as I can that I praise the man, Rick Warren. You are free to condemn him and or criticize him all you want.

I have said and repeat: I think that hatred and condenmation do more harm in this world than just about anything. I am grateful that Mr. Warren is not another hater and condemner in this world. I am grateful that he is helping his fellow man and doing good works. I really appreciate that he is willing to give so much of his life to good works. That matters to me.

Whether I agree with his theology is not nearly as important to me. Same with you. If you do good work at some point in your life. If you help someone who is suffering from AIDS or if you persuade someone who is holding unforgiveness in their heart to forgive - and I am aware of it - I will prasie you, too - even though we do not agree as to what *the truth* is.

As a pastor, he doesn't get a free pass. We are to test what he says and does in accordance with Scripture. If his actions and teachings don't line up, then he is to be held accountable.

I agree with everything you say here and I am glad that God is that judge who will carry out the verdict on each of our lives. Amen. However, if we believe Scriptures that he, like all of us, will be held accountable on the Day of Judgement (Matt. 12:36), who are you to be condeming him for God? If you say that Warren has wronged or sinned against you with his teaching, why are you not using the manner proscribed in Scriptures to resolve these issues (Matt.18:15)? Aren't you held accountable by Scriptures as well?

I didn't condemn him. As a pastor, he doesn't get a free pass. We are to test what he says and does in accordance with Scripture. If his actions and teachings don't line up, then he is to be held accountable. Would you be upset to learn that the warm shower the Nazi prison guards promised you turned out to be a gas oven used for the purpose of your torment and extermination? You would be happy and thankful...decieved right up until the point of destruction. Would you be upset, if you watched people being duped and gladly get in line for these "showers"? It is upsetting to see people lined up behind a false gospel. And...You didn't answer the question. How are you going to tell the difference between Satan masquerading as an angel of light, along with his demons masquerading as servants of righteousness, and the real angels of light and the real servants of righteousness? ...but they looked like showers!

Very well put & worth repeating!