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`Purpose' (Driven Life) pastor has pulpit for Obama (Rick Warren Courts Dems)
Chicago Tribune ^ | 11/16/06

Posted on 11/16/2006 5:33:58 AM PST by Mr. Brightside

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To: NZerFromHK
I will continue to vote conservative, although not hard right conservative (I am unabashedly a free trader)...or what I sometimes call hard left conservative, which I define as trying to impose Christianity through legislation as some Christians do.

We have to work with the system as it exists...and therefore I believe that the GOP is the best answer most of the time. It is as simple as that for me.
121 posted on 11/16/2006 11:25:11 AM PST by pollyannaish
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To: jude24
and the Republicans have lurched to the hard right.

How so?

122 posted on 11/16/2006 11:26:37 AM PST by A.J.Armitage (http://calvinist-libertarians.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Like many fellow Democratic politicians, Sen. Barack Obama is no stranger to the pulpit.

Wow, shockingly frank from the Trib.

123 posted on 11/16/2006 11:27:57 AM PST by AmishDude (Libertarians didn't lose it for us. They're losers who work against what they claim to want.)
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To: Halls

Go to the Kowloon City Baptist Church in Hong Kong (and indeed most churches in Asia), and you will see the type of Christians I described. It is a saddening sight over there.


124 posted on 11/16/2006 11:33:25 AM PST by NZerFromHK (The US Founding is what makes Britain and USA separated by much more than a common language.)
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To: scripter
As I have, too. And each time I do ask for specifics from his detractors but those specifics are never provided.

Has no one ever provided you the specifics related to:

- Warren's teaching Synagogue 3000 how to increase their numbers. Why would a "pastor" want to increase the numbers of people being lead astray and taught falsely? How could a "pastor" ever leave Christ out of His teaching in front of ones that obviously don't know Him?

- Warren's association with Cho, and Cho's Fourth Dimension, even though it has been known, a long time, that Cho left historical orthodoxy for occultic practices?

- Warren's propensity to proof-text and twist/distort Scripture (take a look at the PDL and the use of the Message paraphrase and John 4)?

- Warren's PDC direction to finding the key to people's hearts and to shape the Gospel according to their felt needs in order to reach them?

- His lack of Gospel witness on TV?

- His association with, and promotion of, known false teachers (Brennan Manning, Henri Nouwen, Thomas Merton, Brian Mclaren, and etc.)?

- His disdain for fundamentalism?

- etc., etc. and etc.

125 posted on 11/16/2006 11:34:01 AM PST by pby
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To: mariabush
When Adrian Rogers was pastor at the 30,000 member church in Memphis, Tenn. it was totally submitted to the Word of God.

And Internet scuttlebutt is that after Adrian's death his church is going "purpose driven".

126 posted on 11/16/2006 11:38:00 AM PST by Lee N. Field
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To: pby
Let's stick with specifics and stay away from anything else. I've posted Warren's statement of faith and exerpts from this Purpose Driven Life book. Not once has anybody posted what was wrong with the statement of faith or notes from his book. Please respond to me when you have something specific.

I'm not interested in guilt by association. I'm not interested in anything other than direct quotes from Warren, his book or his statement of faith. If you respond with specifics you'll be the first.

127 posted on 11/16/2006 11:43:52 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: scripter

Again with the Warren "statement of faith" argument. Have you ever heard the expression "actions speak louder than words?" How about, "talk is cheap?" Or maybe, "don't listen to what people say, watch what they do?" Perhaps, "your actions speak so loudly I can't hear what you are saying?"

All apply to the wolf in sheep's clothing Warren. His actions, comments, and other writings constantly belie Saddleback's statement of faith that you always quote. Why can't you see that the man is a complete fraud?


128 posted on 11/16/2006 11:50:42 AM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: jude24
What is "christianese", then? How do you define the term and please give three examples of it?

And do you agree with the biblical position of Christ's death on the cross as penal substitutionary atonement (He paid the price for our sins)?

Does the emergent church that you know of agree with it?

All emergent-types that I have read and encountered promote re-defining all historical biblical doctrines, including: salvation, sin, atonement, repentance, holiness, separation, and etc (Mclaren calls sin and the cross false adverstising for God).

There is a difference between tares and false teachers...We aren't to be "friendly" with the false teachers or make accomodations for them.

What are the legitimate concerns of the emergent folks?

And how are you friendly with them?

Does the emergent church that you are familiar with promote contemplative prayer and other Catholic, mystical practices?

129 posted on 11/16/2006 11:53:41 AM PST by pby
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To: Cecily

I find this incredible. Once again you have not provided anything specific. I'm reminded of Stephen in front of the Sanhedrin...


130 posted on 11/16/2006 11:59:10 AM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: scripter

Specifics have been posted here repeatedly, and you repeatedly ignore them.

Google is still your friend. You are perfectly capable of finding all the specifics that you seek on the Internet.


131 posted on 11/16/2006 12:15:02 PM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: Mr. Brightside

bttt


132 posted on 11/16/2006 12:16:25 PM PST by xone
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To: Cecily
Specifics have been posted here repeatedly, and you repeatedly ignore them.

I've seen a lot of posts with general statements, nothing else. If you're right then you should be able to find the posts without a problem.

Google is still your friend. You are perfectly capable of finding all the specifics that you seek on the Internet.

That's wonderful. Smear somebody, don't provide anything specific and tell people to go look for themselves.

I asked you for specifics on this thread and I never got specifics. At this time, post 60 is still unanswered. While the post wasn't directed to you, it once again shows no specifics have been provided.

133 posted on 11/16/2006 12:24:23 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: scripter

You have been answered, repeatedly. Just because you constantly claim you have not been answered does not make it so. I have no doubt you will claim you haven't been answered yet again, so this back and forth is futile. I will move along.


134 posted on 11/16/2006 12:34:16 PM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: Cecily
You have been answered, repeatedly. Just because you constantly claim you have not been answered does not make it so. I have no doubt you will claim you haven't been answered yet again, so this back and forth is futile. I will move along.

Since you can't support your statements perhaps you should ask the moderator to have them removed. That's what somebody with character would do.

As I said to you on another thread here:

You don't know Warren's heart and you don't know the hearts of those who claim to have come to faith in Christ through Warren's ministry, but you're sure something is wrong, somewhere. It seems to me you should heed Paul's words referenced above.
Some of the words Paul listed were "to slander no one." Ahem...
135 posted on 11/16/2006 12:39:50 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: scripter

The dust has been shaken ... bye bye.


136 posted on 11/16/2006 12:46:51 PM PST by Cecily (`)
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To: TommyDale

He flipped out a long time ago. It's just more people are starting to finally see it.


137 posted on 11/16/2006 12:49:43 PM PST by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: Cecily
Yes, Christian, walk away after smearing Warren without any supporting evidence. There evidence of your character right there, in plain view of everyone and God.
138 posted on 11/16/2006 12:50:30 PM PST by scripter ("If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone." Romans 12:18)
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To: shekkian
It would be better if he actually started preaching the Gospel.
139 posted on 11/16/2006 12:53:54 PM PST by Sue Perkick (The true gospel is a call to self-denial. It is not a call to self-fulfillment..John MacArthur)
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To: Sue Perkick

Not everyone, as I'm sure you have noted. There is none so blind as a Laodicean Lemming who will not see.


140 posted on 11/16/2006 12:54:30 PM PST by Cecily (`)
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