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Frozen embryos have no right to life: Irish court
Reuters ^ | November 15, 2006 | Paul Hoskins

Posted on 11/15/2006 1:50:53 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 11/15/2006 1:50:59 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 11/15/2006 1:51:41 PM PST by NYer (Apart from the cross, there is no other ladder by which we may get to Heaven. St. Rose of Lima)
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"Justice Brian McGovern said most agreed frozen embryos resulting from infertility treatment deserved special respect but ruled "the right to life of the unborn" in the Irish constitution did not extend to them."

Interesting use of the word 'them' in the context of denying their humanity.

If they aren't human, wouldn't 'those' be more accurate?

3 posted on 11/15/2006 2:01:09 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: NYer

Apparently, life, under the Irish Constitution, is cheap.


4 posted on 11/15/2006 2:09:09 PM PST by My2Cents
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To: My2Cents
Apparently, life, under the Irish Constitution, is cheap.

Well, not as cheap as it is in the state of Missouri, to name just one of 50 examples that come readily to mind.

5 posted on 11/15/2006 2:20:21 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: NYer

I wish our constitution gave as much protection as the Irish constitution, even if it does have a loophole for frozen embryos.

But think about this -- if a frozen embryo was treated by law as identical to a fetus in a womb, then you could be prosecuted for murder I guess if you made a lab error and killed one of them, or if the power went out and the cryogenics stopped working.

Can we really say that a lab mishap with an embryo is the same as taking action to kill a growing fetus in a womb?


6 posted on 11/15/2006 2:29:42 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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Yes, actually, that's the Catholic position, which is why the Church opposes in vitro fertilization, because it's virtually impossible to do without killing some of the embryos in the process.

This predicament would not have arisen if the couple in question had not turned to an unnatural procedure for giving birth, and had not also gotten divorced. It was already a mess by the time it got to the court. Nevertheless, the decision was wrong. The fetuses are genetically distinct from the mother and father; they are human; and they are alive, although frozen, since only life can bring forth life.


7 posted on 11/15/2006 2:48:40 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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" if a frozen embryo was treated by law as identical..."

...to a human, then after being frozen 21 years, it could legally drink, vote, and drive.


8 posted on 11/15/2006 2:48:59 PM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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The Irish Supreme Court has been trying to legalise abortion since 1992, even though Bunreacht na heireann [Constitution of Ireland] specifically forbids it:

FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS

Personal Rights

Article 40

3. 3° The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right.

Ireland Ping.

9 posted on 11/15/2006 3:14:58 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I wish our constitution gave as much protection as the Irish constitution, even if it does have a loophole for frozen embryos.

See post #9, it's not really a loophole - it's on shaky ground, but the only way we can reverse the decision is by referenda - otherwise the Irish Supreme Court's decision is final.

10 posted on 11/15/2006 3:18:14 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

referenda = referendum, single not plural.


11 posted on 11/15/2006 3:19:06 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: gcruse

Is there a point to your flippant comment?


12 posted on 11/15/2006 3:23:34 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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Good.


13 posted on 11/15/2006 3:48:13 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Libertarians are more conservative than pubbies. Strictest interpretation of the constitution,)
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All embryos are life, right? So Miscariages should involve 911, and everything possible should be tried to save the fetus.

Even if it is one week. Even if it is a little ball of cells, or even one cell.

Right, everyone?


14 posted on 11/15/2006 3:51:51 PM PST by MonroeDNA (Libertarians are more conservative than pubbies. Strictest interpretation of the constitution,)
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To: MonroeDNA
Good.

You take pleasure in the death of innocent people??

15 posted on 11/15/2006 4:02:02 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: MonroeDNA
All embryos are life, right?

Yes.

So Miscariages should involve 911, and everything possible should be tried to save the fetus.

Yes.

Even if it is one week. Even if it is a little ball of cells, or even one cell.

Right, everyone?

A human life is a human life, end of story!! Why is that so difficult for you to understand??

16 posted on 11/15/2006 4:04:38 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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--Yes, actually, that's the Catholic position, which is why the Church opposes in vitro fertilization, because it's virtually impossible to do without killing some of the embryos in the process.--

It's practically impossible to try to procreate naturally without having a fertilized eggs die.


17 posted on 11/15/2006 4:07:46 PM PST by UpAllNight
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Apparently, life, under the Irish Constitution, is cheap.

Not the Irish Constitution - but the way our Supreme Court and our Government continues to shred it to pieces.

18 posted on 11/15/2006 4:07:53 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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It's practically impossible to try to procreate naturally without having a fertilized eggs die.

If that is true, then it's by natural causes.

19 posted on 11/15/2006 4:09:01 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!|What if I lecture Americans about America?)
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To: UpAllNight

Miscarriages and natural failures to implant are not deliberate killings. Christians believe that God has the power of life and death; we don't.


20 posted on 11/15/2006 4:10:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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