Please help me understand the purpose of having to have the government recognize two guys who want to play husband and wife. Can they reproduce? Does one have to stay home and take care of the kids? If they want to pretend to be something they are not, that is their business, but don't drag everyone else into it.
A suggestion, ask them if they remember the Ancient Greeks?
They thought Homosexuality was fine, but not homosexual marriage nor in any civilization up until now. And in Europe where they are so progressive, the institution of marriage has suffered greatly as a result.
It's not natural.
It's not according to God's word...and make no mistake about it, this nation was founded upon, has prospered according to, and has its roots and foundation built upon traditional Christian values.
In reality, that is why we are so tolerant...but should not (and indeed, cannnot) be so tolerant to the point of calling right wrong and wrong right. Otherwise our Republic, our prosperity, our very freedoms and lives will be at risk.
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
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And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(from Romans Chapter 1)
marriage is a union of a man and a woman in order to create a family. when a man can have sex with a man, or a woman have sex with a woman, and create a child, then they can get married.
This is about gay marriage. Maybe I am nuts , but I always figured pushing the marriage issue the same way as a man and a woman was just a way of setting it up to go into churches all over the country and demand pastors marry them. Even if it is against his religious belief. If he says "no , I cannot", they will then complain that their constitutional rights are being violated, setting up a scenario of removing tax exempt status. Another way of trying to destroy the church in America. To one who is not religious, probably doesn't bother them.
It's the slippery slope...
Today it's homosexual marriage. Once you redefine marriage, though, why limit it there. Why not any union? When marriage is no longer a special and sacred institution, it will no longer be an institution at all.
In the end, this is their agenda: the destruction of marriage.
Paraphrased from "The Incredibles": ... and when everyone's super... no one will be.
Always take it back to the PREMISE that they try to slip past you. This is how we lost the abortion debate, we let them change the PREMISE of the argument.
If we toss out the premise that marriage is a union between a man and a woman, then we open the door to every possible arrangement including unions founded on polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality.
Once marriage becomes anything to anyone, then it becomes meaningless -- nothing more than the myriad of arrangements people make for a dinner out or a movie.
You'll never convince them.Don't even bother trying.
Mark 10:6-9 niv: (Jesus said)
6. But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female.7. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one. 9. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.
It's aberrant behavior. The Bible says so.
One more thing: You can't argue with drunks and idiots. That's a lesson you can't learn early enough in life.
Odds are, your prof is a creep who's never really worked for a living, and most of your fellow students are too dumb and innocent to know any better 'cause they never went to church or temple while growing up. That's the fault of their folks.
How's that?
Robert P George of Princeton has some stuff you might be interested in. You can search around the Web for articles...his book "Clash of Orthodoxies" has a whole chapter on it. He doesn't base his arguments on religious revelation, which is important when debating the secular left. There are reasons to oppose gay marriage that have nothing to do with what the Bible says.
You can start here:
http://www.princetonprinciples.org/
See also here:
http://winst.org/programs/meaningofmarriage.html
if you're looking for some historical coverage of societies that
have been approving of homosexual liasons (some virtually "gay marriage")
the link below might be of interest.
WARNING: Contains GRAPHIC, ADULT descriptions (in context)
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0003.html
Hubs and I had friends who were 'partners' for more than 25 years. Close enough that we stayed in their guest room more than once. At Christmas, even.
One night, one of the guys tells me that he walked in on the other one with their nephew performing an act of intimacy. This ruined my opinions of them because it made a sham of the relationship. However, the one who told me about it ended the friendship and has most likely convinced the town that we're homophobes.
I've since come to the decision that it is most likely not possible for two gay men to be faithful to one another. Whether they care about fidelity or not, there's no denying that this behavior is unhealthy on many levels.
Look at the first 'legal' gay married couple in MA. They're already divorced and so are the first lesbian couple. Whether lesbians are monogamous, I don't know. Of all the gay men I've known, they all cheat.
It's about the kids, kids do best in a traditional family(man and woman).A child who doesn't learn about the Yin and Yang will grow up deformed.