[catholicfreeper]

You might have a point. However that coupled with Grafs loss makes me think there is some data showing that Americans are thinking just a tad different on this issue. Plus look at Colorado and losing the Governors race.

I know the response will be as to Graff well he didnt have RNC money. But I am looking at the monetary support he recieved from PACs and ANti illiegal immigration groups and it was substantial. In fact he was the only person to recieve assistance from Simcox's Minuteman pac during OCt and Novemebr as a example according to FEC filings

So I do think we can see a trend here

[Dane]

I know the response will be as to Graff well he didnt have RNC money.

Actually david duke's endorsement of Graf was probably his biggest blunder.

[Torie]

Graf was a religious right creationist conservative in a marginal district, not all that friendly to that cohort. I suspect a lot of my wing of the party ran for the exits. His opponent was an attractive woman who came across as a soothing moderate, and had some chamber of commerce type support. Graf was toast from the minute he got the nomination.

What is true is that making illegal immigration a signature issue does not seem to round up many swing voters. I don't think the issue caused many votes to switch either way in either the 5th or 8th district in Arizona.

[ruination]

According to these numbers, Graf spent 44% of what Giffords spent. And, while Giffords had more PAC money, Graf had more from individual donors.

[Arizona Carolyn]

Graf lost because the RNC dumped all over him when he won the primary and refused to spend one red cent on his election. If he had received support he could have won. His district was in one of our other liberal enclaves... thank God the third (Flagstaff) is mixed into the Navajo Reservation and Prescott so it gets neutered somewhat, because they brought in a ACLU Liberal to run there against Renzi.

[skeeter]

Your arguments against a 'hard line' on illegal immigration could well be applied to the abortion issue. Shall we then compromise on that one?