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The Libertarian Effect
Real Clear Politics ^ | 11/13/06 | ROSS KAMINSKY

Posted on 11/14/2006 6:25:58 PM PST by Purple GOPer

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To: Dead Corpse
If there was an "alliance", I wasn't told.

If you're an informed voter you shouldn't have to be told.

301 posted on 11/15/2006 11:10:01 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: TeenagedConservative
Libertarians don't elect Democrats. Democrat voters do.

A truly uninformed opinion.

302 posted on 11/15/2006 11:16:26 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: tpaine

Whatever burr he's got under his saddle, I could care less. He's trying to stir up a flame war, and I'm not going to help him by getting sucked in. He can rot.


303 posted on 11/15/2006 11:16:58 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
I find that career federal bureaucrats seem to be statistically way over-represented among the virulent anti-libertarians.

It's as if anyone taking a stand for the Constitution, and the individual freedoms and liberties associated with it, are their sworn enemy. And then their argument nearly always digresses to the issues of slavery and/or abortion to support their beliefs in strict federal control over individual freedoms.

304 posted on 11/15/2006 11:24:31 AM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: takenoprisoner

It seems to be ego and job security.


305 posted on 11/15/2006 11:28:09 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Dead Corpse
Even more instructive, cite why you are trying to use the failure of conservatives to get re-elected as an excuse to drag us all Leftward? You WANT the GOP to be more liberal? To try and out Democrat the Democrats? Why don't you just vote Dem and leave the rest of us alone?

I post complaining that good conservatives lost and you post the above non-sequitur BS?

Are you that big a dope?

306 posted on 11/15/2006 11:29:23 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: tacticalogic; takenoprisoner

tacticalogic:

I find that career federal bureaucrats seem to be statistically way over-represented among the virulent anti-libertarians.



takenoprisoner:

It's as if anyone taking a stand for the Constitution, and the individual freedoms and liberties associated with it, are their sworn enemy. And then their argument nearly always digresses to the issues of slavery and/or abortion to support their beliefs in strict federal control over individual freedoms.

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And they avoid admitting that strict federal/state control over individual freedoms includes their belief in a power to prohibit guns. -- Or most anything else.


307 posted on 11/15/2006 11:39:25 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tacticalogic
The assumption that all those libertarian votes got taken away from the Republican candidate is conjecture too. Trying to argue that we can only talk about the 53% that showed up because 47% of the electorate might have been in a coma that day is desperate stupidity. Don't even try.


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No, desperate stupidity is trying to assert a causal relationship between actual occurrences based on a something that failed to occur. And the fact that not all the libs-er-tarian votes wouldn't have gone to the republicans is exactly my point. many of the pot heads would have voted democrat because constitution and country be damed, " I 'm talking about my freedom to smoke weed!"
308 posted on 11/15/2006 12:12:48 PM PST by photodawg
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If you're an informed voter you shouldn't have to be told.

I'm a charter member of the St. Dismas Infirmary for the Icurably Informed. It's the prime reason why I vote "conservative" instead of straight "Republican". Especially since the idiots in the GOP are now trying to co-opt the Democrat agenda.

309 posted on 11/15/2006 12:18:19 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
If you're an informed voter you shouldn't have to be told.

I'm a charter member of the St. Dismas Infirmary for the Incurably Informed. It's the prime reason why I vote "conservative" instead of straight "Republican". Especially since the idiots in the GOP are now trying to co-opt the Democrat agenda.

310 posted on 11/15/2006 12:18:31 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: FreeReign
I post complaining that good conservatives lost

Yes. Good conservatives lost. I know, I voted for some of them. And? Assuming you have any further point of course...

311 posted on 11/15/2006 12:20:55 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I hate it when I do that... mea culpa...


312 posted on 11/15/2006 12:22:39 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: photodawg
No, desperate stupidity is trying to assert a causal relationship between actual occurrences based on a something that failed to occur.

The causal relationsip is between something that failed to occur and something that failed to occur. The two things that failed to occur were Republicans getting elected, and a bunch of them failing to get up off their ass and vote.

313 posted on 11/15/2006 12:22:54 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tpaine
And they avoid admitting that strict federal/state control over individual freedoms includes their belief in a power to prohibit guns. -- Or most anything else.

You mean like the recent ban by congress on internet gambling? Meantime, I can spend thousands on lottery tickets and scratch offs, travel to casinos all over the nation dropping untold thousands, and congress could care less. But now I am prohibited from playing texas holdem on the internet.

314 posted on 11/15/2006 12:23:11 PM PST by takenoprisoner
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To: Dead Corpse

Both Republicans on the ticket here in Montana were Conservative. Stan "Blueboy" Jones, a libertarian, was and still is, a conspiracy loon, and he was co-opting the Democrat agenda.


315 posted on 11/15/2006 12:28:03 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: takenoprisoner
You mean like the recent ban by congress on internet gambling? Meantime, I can spend thousands on lottery tickets and scratch offs, travel to casinos all over the nation dropping untold thousands, and congress could care less. But now I am prohibited from playing texas holdem on the internet.

Those casino's you can still go to were the big backers of that bill.

316 posted on 11/15/2006 12:32:19 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: kinoxi

"What leftists love about libertarian voters is that they elect democrats....."

"That is generally not the case."

When and where it is "generally not the case" it is only so because the GOP candidate or the Dim candidate win by margins that far exceed the votes of the Libers; not because the Libers failed to mount a candidate and not because the die hard Libers voted for the GOP.

But the fact is that there are a growing number of Libertarian minded conservatives in the GOP, particularly from western states, who, would be able to advance Libertarian ideas with greater ability if more Libertarians went to the mat fighting for position in the GOP (beginning in the local party orgs) for a place, as the social conservative values voters did for over 20 years. The fact is that many Libertarian's would sometimes find allies for their positions in the GOP, among other-minded conservatives and "moderates" at times. Outside the GOP, they are not in government and have no one to make policy alliances with.

The Libers and some other "purist" conservatives hate the glass half empty of a big, diverse GOP (in which you do get allies to vote with you some of the time) and prefer the glass totally empty outside of government. Thus, they never get the ability to demonstrate their ideas in practice. Thus, they cannot attract large non-activist members.


317 posted on 11/15/2006 12:35:47 PM PST by Wuli
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To: BigSkyFreeper
And there is still ZERO guaranty that those folks who voted for Stan would have pulled the lever for your Republicans instead. In fact, because you assert he "co-opted" the Democrat agenda, he probably "stole" more votes from the Dems then didn't he....

You've gotta think these things through a bit more before you shoot yourself in the foot that way.

318 posted on 11/15/2006 12:46:40 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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To: Dead Corpse
You've gotta think these things through a bit more before you shoot yourself in the foot that way.

Oh, I do, believe me. You're still an uninformed voter still supporting a party that co-opt's a left-winged agenda.

319 posted on 11/15/2006 12:50:34 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
You're still an uninformed voter still supporting a party that co-opt's a left-winged agenda.

Yeah... like limited, smaller, more Constitutional government. Real pro-2A. Private Property Rights. Getting government out of the medical care industry before they turn us into Europe. Ending the trend of public schools becoming liberalized indoctrination centers. Over turning Roe V Wade...

You mean THOSE "left wing" agenda items? You are laughable...

320 posted on 11/15/2006 1:11:47 PM PST by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be.)
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