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To: NormsRevenge
haven't we had enough days of whining here already?

No, we need real manly whining, 24/7/365 for the next two years. That alone can fix our problems.

Win or lose, some people just like to be grinches.

The relatively small segment of conservatives who didn't vote or voted for Dims is small and probably couldn't have swung the results more than 5-10 seats. Where we need to worry more is the loss of independents voters which FR doesn't have many of. We need a conservative agenda to reclaim our disaffected conservatives and appeal to indies who saw, correctly, that Bush and the GOP spent like LBJ on crack and had some messy scandals and not much positive news on the ground in Iraq. Progress amounts to they have a constitution and a government but a couple more American soldiers and a bunch of Iraqis are dead every day with no end in sight.

I suppose it's more fun to troll around, trying to find and punish that handful of conservatives here at FR, than to discuss what we did wrong and what we can fix to win in '08.
161 posted on 11/11/2006 5:01:33 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

Good points,, independents are growing in numbers,, the days of wedding to a party just because of tradition may well have passed for good. That doesn't mean that they are automatically dem votes, but they would like to hear more than the usual vote for me, I won't do this or that, like raise taxes or not, anyone can say that, of course.

it will be incumbent that conservatives get out front and thoroughly sell the right's agenda effectively, that means being more effective at communicationg regardless the handicap they currently suffer due to a biased lefist media..

it can be done,, but it will take a lot more than what has been done to date.

let's have some substance and real debates in the open, dems will fall like flies were that to happen, to say that here in California debates were any more than token efforts is obvious, we had one losuy GUb debate which was a joke in format and regarding substance which was pretty lacking, none of the other debates for lower offices got much air play at all on major outlets in prime time, coincidence?

you would think voters at least deserve to see and hear who is going to be lording over them and their tax dollars to really decide who is blowing smoke and who is legit..
and being as the public airwaves are controlled by a lot of lefties and the permits to do so are issued for the public good supposedly , it's obvious they don't want to let their guys out there for all to see ,, you had to search pretty hard to see a lot of the debates , they were at odd hours in odd places.


as for the bashers here of conservatives and they know who they are, most of them are nothing more than Progressives trying to push social democracy under the guise of being moderates or neocentrists in both parties.. they are as useful at teats on a boar and a nuisance here when it comes to supporting a conservative agenda , imo,, quite a few of their candidates got purged in the election so that is at least a silver lining.


202 posted on 11/11/2006 11:55:23 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... Cornyn / Kyl in '08)
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To: George W. Bush

Speaking as one of the conservative independants you speak of,who backs many of your issues and has for YEARS ( one of which is pro life) I can't get behind this defeatist "we sure showed them by not voting" crap. All you really showed anyone is that you are ignorant and not dependable. If you are the "true conservative base" you certainly aren't very reliable and that makes me uncomforatble in backing things you propose (which is why I will not join the party). Nobody wants to waste their time and effort with people who will hang you out to dry or stab you in the back after you have supported their cause for years,just because things don't go 100% their way at all times. The fact that the "base" screwed over the house and senate majority ON PURPOSE really chaps my butt BIG TIME! Maybe I'll just start voting 3rd party and YOU SELF RIGHTOUS "VALUE VOTERS" can keep swinging in the wind.


224 posted on 11/12/2006 11:46:31 AM PST by BlueGin
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