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To: itsahoot
Like I said you should be happy, get over it, conservative principles are not for sale to the big tent RINO's.

Politics and principle are not always symbiotic.

There are times when it is necessary to moderate or change on some closely held understandings.

If you want to salvage some of what you want, you will be required to negotiate. If you take the position that all your beliefs and desires are principles that cannot be negotiated, then you walk away from the table with nothing.

at some point in time, all negotiation attempts stop and you slide into irrelevance, with your now forgotten principles.

This is the definition of politics. History's ash can is full of long forgotten, yet closely held principles. Perhaps you will be adding some more to the pile.

It should become clear to you at some point, that democracy does not suit you. You would prefer a authoritarian government based on your principles, which you will impose on others, as you cannot negotiate them. This is not what the Republican party was ever about. It is not a conservative ideal either.

It is what it is and it is not suited to politics.

I have had this sort of discussion with the unappeasable before, and it always appears at first to be a wasted effort on my part. But i often find that I opened up a glimmer of understanding.

I hope this is the case here, but it really does not matter much to me. It does matter to you. You see, principles are worthless if you don't use them. You can't eat them, and they will not keep you sheltered or warm on a cold night.

But you can establish value through negotiation, and by doing so, you can benefit greatly by having a voice in the Democracy.

If you don't, then they are virtually useless and of no value at all. You can shout them out as you draw your last breath, and nobody will remember because you never established a value for them. You held them, and you took them with you when you left. Nobody will care.

52 posted on 11/10/2006 9:27:49 PM PST by Cold Heat (We blew it..... So back to work we go........)
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To: Cold Heat
Nobody will care.

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

54 posted on 11/11/2006 10:05:58 AM PST by itsahoot (If the GOP does not do something about immigration, immigration will do something about the GOP)
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