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To: hellbender
The Founding Fathers were conservatives, not libertarians.

Therein lies a paradox that produces no end of misunderstanding and friction in these debates.

The Founding Fathers were revolutionaries. A conservative revolutionary is a blatant contradiction in terms.

108 posted on 11/10/2006 5:17:49 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
The Founding Fathers were revolutionaries. A conservative revolutionary is a blatant contradiction in terms

Yes, they were libertarians. Conservatives are statists and the attacks on libertarians by conservatives proves that.

The Republican alliance of conservatives and libertarians has been broken, by conservatives, and the Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs.
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123 posted on 11/10/2006 11:16:30 AM PST by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: tacticalogic

"The Founding Fathers were conservatives, not libertarians.
Therein lies a paradox that produces no end of misunderstanding and friction in these debates.

The Founding Fathers were revolutionaries. A conservative revolutionary is a blatant contradiction in terms."

The paradox is easily resolved, because the Founding Fathers were not revolutionaries in any conventional sense, like the French or Russian Revolutionaries. The only revolution theirs really resembles might be the English Glorious Revolution, which was also a limited and conservative one. The Founders wanted to restore and preserve the liberties which had been won through centuries of struggle by the English, which were threatened by the increasing centralization threatened by British imperialism. They were conservatives in that regard.

The colonies already had local representative government, religious liberty, and many other features which might have required revolution in other countries. Other things which are not desirable in a free society, such as slavery, were left untouched by the Founders. Their only "revolutionary" action was in throwing off the yolk of an imperial power which had left them to their own devices for much of their history, and was trying to tighten control in the late 18th century.


134 posted on 11/10/2006 6:31:04 PM PST by hellbender
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