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To: SmithL

Here is the crux of the problem. We've got guys that have no core convictions, they just try to guess what will get them elected.


2 posted on 11/09/2006 7:49:22 AM PST by dfwgator
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Interesting comment by Flake---"small government," si. "Comprehensive immigration reform=amnesty," no. This is the GOP's problem. It needs to figure out if it indeed represents Americans or immigrants first. There is a necessary place for LEGAL immigrants, but Flake's not getting athe message, and having Graf and Hayworth lose doesn't help send it.


5 posted on 11/09/2006 7:52:24 AM PST by LS
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To: dfwgator

I agree that there are only a handfull in the GOP with core conservative convictions...but I am not sure that this is the ONLY cause of the rout.

Has ANYONE mention the price of gasoline having an effect?...there are millions of people out there who pay little attention until their cable rates go up, or gas prices spike....How can we explain the fact that EVERY state that put forth an ammendment defining marriage as man and woman saw that ammendment approved by 60% or more, yet they voted for senators and congressmen who belong to the party that supports gay marriage? The two do not compute.

I saw this in South Carolina once....a dem ran for governor promising the lottery...people who don't know a dem from a republican voted the idiot into office...once they had the lottery...they didn't vote the next time...he lost his re-election...

I could be wrong, but I think there were millions of votes due to gas prices...they blame whoever is in office.


11 posted on 11/09/2006 8:02:04 AM PST by Moby Grape
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To: dfwgator
Find some REAL men and REAL women to run, bunch of wimp's that were holding office and got 'whupped up on'. Sell out and pay the price.
21 posted on 11/09/2006 8:12:43 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: dfwgator

The guys with no core convictions should just be honest and become outright Democrats...lying numbnuts.


39 posted on 11/09/2006 8:32:58 AM PST by madison10 (Live your life in such a way that the preacher won't have to lie at your funeral.)
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To: dfwgator
I agree that the RINOs had a lot to do with it but so did conservative voters. They want what they want and they want it NOW.

Immigration is the best example. Just like Dimocrats, many got carried away on the tide of news coming from the MSM and instantly got angry. Illegal immigration has been a concern of mine since the 80s but most people gave it no thought until the MSM riled them up and got the exact reaction they wanted.

Bush got the blame for all of it and that wasn't the case. It was first the Reagan amnesty and then the elder Bush, who actually tried but couldn't get anything done and then the Clinton administration who actively made it worse and then Bush who didn't seem to be doing much. He was, but 9/11, of course, took much of his attention and many, many of the already stretched thin BP were transferred to the Canadian border which was very sparsely covered. It has taken time to train new agents and get them down on the border. The National Guard has made an immense difference.

With a majority controlled by the Dims we will be more likely to get another amnesty bill and though some of those anti-illegal immigration people voted GOP this election, they had sown so much enmity in the wake of their anger that there were many that they influenced who didn't. Those wishy-washy voters just hear and think about those things which are trumpeted the loudest.

I'm not advocating rolling over and acquiesing to every RINOs bill. I'm not saying the conservatives should support the GOP even when they go against our principles, I am saying we need to be reasonable and not just complain online but call and write all those who are against our positions and do it in numbers that they can't ignore. Be an activist, not a whiner, bitcher or complainer. MAKE the RINOs listen to us.

But in the end, if a RINO is actively against our core values and can't be changed we have to get rid of them while not poisoning all the water.

41 posted on 11/09/2006 8:36:41 AM PST by tiki
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