Posted on 11/09/2006 2:14:10 AM PST by NapkinUser
Bush's legacy quote.
This isn't a policy difference like, Should the top marginal tax rate be 40% or 42%. An amnesty would be a DISASTER for this country, and relegate the Republican Party to permanent minority status.
Donning my tinfoil hat, did Dubya blow this election intentionally in order to get a congress that would pass his amnesty plan?
How did the Dems gerrymander Delay's seat? They haven't been in control of Texas government for a while. I seem to remember a bit of a ruckus when the GOP redid the district lines a couple of years ago.
But by then it will be a done deal and too late to fix it.
"What's her position on "comprehensive immigration reform"? That will tell you if we can win without pandering to hispanics in TX and CA and a host of other states at this point."
She will support Bush's shamnesty 100%
Thanks for the reference. The big mistake was not giving the WH more leeway in how the money was spent, but passing the bill in the first place. It gave the Dems cover in the midterms. The so-called fence bill was passed by overwhelming majorities in both houses. We would have been better off having no bill and using the House bill as ammo against the Dems.
Actually not. He knows we oppose it, but doesn't care.
Tone death doesn't even make sense.
Yeah, I noticed that when I saw the original comment. Perhaps it's one of those new "non-lethal" weapons systems the pentagon is so enamored with these days.
There may be a time that we, as citizens, will have to defend our nation from these socialists.
A good article that was overlooked with all the election news.
from the November 06, 2006 edition The Christian Science Monitor
After the Amnesty: 20 years later
In 1986, the US government offered amnesty – legal status – to 3 million illegal immigrants. Here are seven of their stories.
By Luis Andres Henao | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
Twenty years ago Monday, Congress passed the largest effort to date to curb undocumented immigration to this country. Under the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), employers were sanctioned for the first time for hiring undocumented workers. The bill also called for tighter controls along the Mexican border. But the bill was a compromise: Enforcement was balanced by an amnesty provision.
Under IRCA, undocumented immigrants who had lived in the United States prior to 1982 and those who had worked as seasonal agricultural workers before May 1986 could seek legal status and eventually US citizenship.
Nearly 3 million undocumented immigrants were granted legal residence under the amnesty. Most of them were Mexican (more than 80 percent) and lived in the Los Angeles area. Salvadorans, Filipinos, Haitians, Poles, and Vietnamese also benefited from the program.
But two decades later, illegal immigration is still a hot-button issue and amnesty is a dirty word to some. Private-citizen minutemen and National Guardsmen have rushed to the Mexican border. This spring, millions of undocumented immigrants and others marched in the streets of US cities to protest federal legislation that would criminalize illegal immigrants.
It's an issue that may reignite if a new Congress picks up the debate this coming January.
Amid the shouts of today are decades-old echoes from the IRCA.
Critics say the bill set a damaging precedent for future amnesties. IRCA supporters say the word "amnesty" mischaracterizes the bill's intent.
"An amnesty cleans people who have broken the law," says former US Rep. Romano Mazzoli (D) of Kentucky. He and former US Sen. Alan Simpson (R) of Wyoming were the primary architects and cosponsors of IRCA. "But in our bill, you had to prove that you were a law-abiding person who honored the institutions of our country.... So you can take your pick of euphemisms, but if you use the word 'amnesty,' people will get angry, throw their hands up in the air, and scream: 'They're rewarding people for misbehaving!' "
Today Mr. Mazzoli defends the bill as the best way to combat illegal immigration at the time. The six administrations that followed, he says, are to blame for not enforcing tighter restrictions. And now, "It's déjà vu all over again," Mazzoli says. "These are the same issues that we had 20 years ago."
William King Jr., was the Western regional director of the US Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) and responsible for carrying out the amnesty program. He says that he had hope that the legislation would work at first. But IRCA was a three-legged stool, he says. One leg was employer sanctions, another was increased border security, and the third was the amnesty program. "In truth, only the amnesty program became a fact," he says, and the effort failed.
To John Keeley, a spokesman for the Center for Immigration Studies, a nonprofit group that wants tighter immigration controls, IRCA was well intentioned - but implementation was lacking. "There was a half-hearted attempt at immigration control by the late '80s and early '90s by the old INS," he says, but political pressure brought that to a "screeching halt" by the middle of the decade.
One of the big problems with the IRCA amnesty was all the counterfeit applications, especially from seasonal agricultural workers. Economists Pia Orrenius and Madeline Zavodny studied the effects of amnesty programs on undocumented immigration and presented their findings in the August 2003 issue of Demography magazine. They say that the number of seasonal workers qualifying for amnesty was about 300,000. But in the end, more than 1 million applications were granted. "Most people agree that there was substantial fraud because the document requirement and the residency requirement were quite low for that part of the program," Ms. Zavodny says.
"I don't think anyone says that it deterred illegal immigration," says Cecilia Muñoz, vice president of The National Council of La Raza, the nation's largest Latino advocacy group. "But it succeeded in legalizing 3 million people. Their wages went up, and they're fully integrated into American society."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1106/p13s01-ussc.html
You lack of support translates into support for Dems. As angry as you are at Pres. Bush, I can't believe you think Dems will be better on issues especially judges.
The dems did it thru the courts which still have remenents of Dem rule. Delay remained on the ballot if you remember. The Repub candidate was a write in.
Of course Bush didn't blow this election on purpose. In my opinion, he would have gotten it even if the house remained in Repub hands. There were enough rinos and dems to push it through after the election when they would not have been accountable immediately. You must face reality; amnesty is coming. I do not like it, but I don't believe we will be able to stop it. The Repubs are stupid. The Hispanics will most likely vote with the Dems and guarantee permanent minority status.
"I believe everything happens for a reason," Tancredo said. "The Chinese symbol for problem and opportunity is the same?what I think needs to happen is that we need to tell our base that there is a reason to support Republicans."
Tancredo concluded his speech with a remark that caused the crowd to react louder than they had to anything else the congressman said.
"We will continue the good fight and we will prevail," Tancredo said before walking off the stage.
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Maybe GW finally got the Congress he really wanted?
We can't get them and stay conservative.
The "moderates" and "independents" can be bought - and the Democrats are willing tax us to death to buy them.
You know, I really don't believe that Bush is secretly a Democratic party operative, put into his office as a Trojan Horse. I honestly don't think that he intended for both Chambers of Congress to fall to the Dems. And it'd be crazy to think that this was all a grand, decade-long conspiracy to destroy the GOP from within.
But it's hard to imagine how things would be much different if that WERE true.
"There is no party at the moment which shares your views on immigration period. By electing Dems this cycle, we have made amnesty a done deal. You can not win elections by being a one issue voter."
But there are leadership within the Republican party that do! And WE didn't elect dims, Bush successfully divided the party and as hard and fast as the message to vote got out, they couldn't push faster than Bush continuing to bring up his shamnesty and he is to blame for the division AND loss. He's a tool for the OBL and risked everthing, including the WOT, for it. Makes me sick. The OBL must be stopped.
YAYYYYYY GEORGE!
Now that you fisted the Republican party...
you might as well twist it a bit while it's in there to finish it off.
What a moron.
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