Repost: (+) THE ART OF THE (WEAPONS) CACHE (+)

www.sit-rep.com (defunct website?) ^ | March 1, 2001 | Travis McGee

[Stoat]

NEVER tell ANYBODY about the fact that you own a gun. For a lot of us that fact is written all over us, in the way we dress, what we drive and our life style in general. I suggest gun owners drive pastel colored Volkswagens with rainbow stickers, walk with a swish and talk more about baking, fashion and etc. Only our hairdressers would know for sure.

Very nice.  In the scenario described in this thread, where things have gotten so bad and un-Constitutional that confiscations are occurring and only those who react appropriately to the threat and modify their behaviors have any chance of retaining their weapons,  there will always be those who think that it can never happen to me and continue on as if nothing has happened and accuse anybody who suggests minor and proportionate modifications of their actions to suit the threat of being a fag.  Those people will be the first to lose it all.

The first rule of any stealth operation is 'keep your mouth shut'.....this doesn't mean that you're a queer or giving it all up, it's a basic rule that needs to be followed in order to complete the mission i.e returning America to Constitutional Law.

 

 

[Stoat]

 

NEVER tell ANYBODY about the fact that you own a gun

Hide like a good little chicken.

No thanks. We need to grow some spine, not give up the last of it.

Clearly, some of us are more firm in our convictions than others, some would dearly love to still believe that *it can't happen here* and will wait until the most egregious examples finally prove that it has, and some have much more to lose than others.

No problem, that just means that some will serve as *canaries in the mine* for others who come later to the party, and whose reinforcement will be desperately needed. See the late Colonel Cooper's thoughts on such matters in his story Survivor, telling of one Gerhard Tauchnit's escape from a post-WWII Soviet concentration, in Cooper's anthology To Ride, Shoot Straight, and Speak the Truth."

Superbly stated, thank you. 

[Hazcat]

OK I recind my semi-expert status. I was looking at some rifles and ran into 7.62x39 and 7.62x54. HELP! I am going to assume that the 762x54 is the nato round but then I saw an SKS 762x39 so I are cornfused agin'!

[oyez]

What I was getting at is for most of it is too late. Our neighbors know we hunt. The see us load up and go to the range. We got the trucks that say "Sportsman". There's the bass boat. We're already profiled.

[Neo-Luddite]

Please refer to ATF for actual advice, but as far as I know, it is. The rationale may have been that 1) .06 is obsolete 2) .06 is not a naughty black plastic rifle caliber 3) Much surplus .06 is steel core anyway. I really don't know. One other theory is that AP .06 is a better and more stable long range target cartridge--in other words, a sporting round. Or if your oddly afflicted like myself, that some folks are trying to place things under the radar of loonies and criminals. Not a lot of drive bys and robberies with .06.

[Petruchio]

If I was going to cache some firearms, I would not cache all. First off, I would sort by which ones have a paper trail. Those would be left at home for the JBT's to find. After all, they already know I have those ones . . .

Those with absolutely no paper trail (no 4473, no sales receipt, no gunsmith records, etc. ) would get cached with ammo and cleaning kits.

That way, if they come they will collect what they think I own. They will think they have it all. Later I can always acquire another collection by using what was stored away.

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>They are all pretty much varients of your standard .30 cal round with various case lengths, bullet weights, and powder loads .30, .30-06, .308, 7.62x54R, and the .30-30 are the more common types.<<<

I believe all of those use the .308 caliber bullets, except for the Russian (7.62x54R) which uses a slightly larger caliber (.311 I believe).

[Stoat]

What I was getting at is for most of it is too late. Our neighbors know we hunt. The see us load up and go to the range. We got the trucks that say "Sportsman". There's the bass boat. We're already profiled.

Yes, and when things get so bad in the USA that firearms confiscations begin, you won't be able to use them for hunting or going to the range anyway and so you can cache them securely, along with your Smith and Wesson T-shirt and Colt belt-buckle until a more enlightened era comes around.  You can continue fishing and take up bow-hunting and tell all of your friends who have become sheep and turned in their guns to be destroyed that you have done the same, and then change the subject.  You can even show them the receipt for the 'junk gun' that you actually turned in as evidence of this.

Some 'select' weapons are of course kept for home protection, so that you will at least have the opportunity to be judged by twelve as opposed to being carried by six if some criminal thug decides to break into your home or carjack you.

And all the while, you tell NOBODY that you have a gun.

After all, how are you going to be able to get to the polls to vote for rescinding the gun ban if you are in jail for firearms violations?

All of us have different circumstances but a thoughtful and a suitably creative person can usually find a way to deal with a threat, and also to have the agility and stealth necessary to make changes in order to address a changing threat.

 

[Dead Corpse]

Nope. They are all .30. The 7.62 in the diameter of the bullet in mm. 7.62mm =.3".

The same 150gr boattails I load in my .30-30 are the same ones you load for the .308Win and the .30-06. Look up a bullet manufacturer like Speer. You won't find a ".311" bullet listed. Just .30cal. Some do give bullet dimensions, most go by common caliber name.

10mm and .40S&W pistol shoot the same bullet.

[visualops]

mark for self

[M Kehoe]

Good evening. Thanks for the ping.

Matt, if you're out there, this ping is for you.

5.56mm

[Blood of Tyrants]

My thoughts.

A junkyard where cars have been there so long that they have trees growing up through the hood is a good place to hide guns.

Also, I have suggested using a fresh grave as a weapons cache. If the occupant was a patriot, he/she wouldn't mind. If they were a gun hating liberal, just think of the irony as they watch over your cache for years.

If you feel the need to tell someone where the cache is, lie to them the first time and watch them to see if they are a snitch.

And lastly, if it comes down to having to cache our weapons, it is long past time to use them.

[DuncanWaring]

I've got a "Rack" grade M1.

Yes, it's kind of beat-up, but it's fully functional and "as accurate as I am".

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>Nope. They are all .30. The 7.62 in the diameter of the bullet in mm. 7.62mm =.3".Nope. They are all .30. The 7.62 in the diameter of the bullet in mm. 7.62mm =.3".<<<

Listen carefully. The "7.62" Russian is not the same as the .30 caliber used in the 30-06, .308, 30/30, and .30 carbine.

>>>Look up a bullet manufacturer like Speer. You won't find a ".311" bullet listed.<<<

Actually, they are common. The following link is Hornady's list of Russian 7.62x54 bullets. The bullets are listed as .310 and .311 inches:
http://www.realguns.com/loads/762x54r.htm

It is okay to reload a .308 bullet into a Russian casing, but not the other way around. A Russian bullet will increase chamber pressure in a .308Win or a 30-06.

If you intend to reload, I would recommend you make a habit of NEVER, EVER making assumptions like you did with the Russian bullet diameter. Reloading with too large a bullet diameter is just as dangerous as improper case trimming or overloading powder.

[Hazcat]

Thanks! That's the kind of thing I wanted to know.

[DuncanWaring]

You're welcome.

[DuncanWaring]

One more thing - I read an account once by a Korea veteran about one night his outfit was trying to hold back a Chinese human-wave attack.

When it was over, the stock was charred from the heat of the barrel, and his shoulder was numb for several days and black-and-blue for weeks.

The fact that he was alive to tell the tale implies his M1 did not fail him.

[oyez]

If you can't use you guns there isn't much point in having any. If anything we need more people with more guns and those people using them. Owners need to be organized. There is more safety in numbers.

Anyway, the government can't stop all the other illegal crap that's going around now, how could it take up all the firearms? Prohibition never works.

[GingisK]

Not sure what the 7.62 X 54 is, since the NATO round is 7.62 X 51.

There are enough cartridges to sink the Bismark.

[Dead Corpse]

http://members.nuvox.net/~on.melchar/762russ/index.html

http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/reloading.htm

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinAmmo.htm

Further, the Russian bullets weren't swagged and could vary by up to .02, so if you want to pick another friggin' nit, your CUPs might rise by a few hundred but you probably won't notice this unless you are pushing max compressed loads on a bench gun.