To: Captain Kirk
Overall I believe my model does work, and it certainly works better than the Vietnam model of a never ending battle against insurgents. The Emperor was allowed to keep his post as Monarch, but in the same symbolic way as the British model, and I might add he was a stabilizing force post war. We demanded unconditional surrender after beating the Germans and Japanese senseless, and then we laid out their form of govt. in no uncertain terms, and with no uncertainty on how we expected it done. Contrast that with the debacle in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I'm not criticizing the troops, as the armed forces can accomplish ANYTHING requested of them with a clear plan on how to get to the desired result, and you can't help but be struck by how far we have come from the President's State of The Union Address shortly after 9/11. Now we say it's better to deal with Hamas politically instead of having them on the street. Wasn't this appeasement thing used by German Politicos with Hitler?
To: conservativecorner
Our enemies never have to surrender - the plan now is just to get American engaged in a war of attrition and force us closer and closer to bankruptcy - to get us so bothered by the thought of war that we retreat to our own (not so well defended borders) they can then move as they wish.
We will never see a surrender or even a peace accord from this action, there is no reason for the opposition forces to do so.
709 posted on
11/08/2006 10:21:24 AM PST by
The Louiswu
(Never Forget!)
To: conservativecorner
We demanded unconditional surrender after beating the Germans and Japanese senseless, and then we laid out their form of govt. in no uncertain terms, and with no uncertainty on how we expected it done Not true. In the end, Truman did not demand unconditional surrender from the Japanese. Even after the A Bombs, they insisted that they insisted on keeping the emperor (as they had before then). Truman thought about it and then overruled his pro-FDR advisors who wanted him to hold out for Unconditinal surrender. He agreed to the Japanese stipulation, hence it was very much a conditional surrender. In any case, Truman's decision on this point was not part of some nation building "master plan." In fact, it was a bitter pill for more pro US New Dealers who regarded Hirohito as the anti-Christ.
BTW, even pre-WWII the Japanese emperor's power was highly limited, though he did provide a useful rubber stamp for the militarists.
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