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To: headsonpikes

I agree that devaluing family and the individual are a part of socialism. However, I think they can exist separate from it, too.

Perhaps I should have used the word "materialism". The want of more stuff rather than recognising the value of people. This is certainly possible without socialism.


16 posted on 11/02/2006 7:29:35 AM PST by FourPeas (The right thing to do never requires any subterfuge, it is always simple and direct. Calvin Coolidge)
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I can only speak as a 76 year old Brit who was a teenager right after WWII. In those far off days there was conscription in the UK..there was no dodging it..you had to do 2 years service in the armed forces.

The first night I spent in the RAF barracks I was surrounded by what used to be hard faced punks weeping for their mommy's. 2 years in the forces smartened most of the hard cases up and even turned them into normal civilised citizens.

I know this will never happen again..but whichever way you look at it..it worked. A 2 year armed forces stint focuses the mind amazingly!!


19 posted on 11/02/2006 7:43:04 AM PST by Brit
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To: FourPeas

I would argue that increased materialism is a manifestation of the absence of other values.

Stripping people of their natural values, which is the constant program of socialism in power, leaves only the shallow remainder of mere possessions instead of an estate, mere status instead of honor, and the almost certain expession of the worst elements of human nature.

You can tell from my tagline that I have hard views on this matter. ;^)


20 posted on 11/02/2006 7:43:55 AM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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