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Schiavo issue haunts Crist
St. Petersburg Times ^ | November 1, 2006 | ADAM C. SMITH

Posted on 11/02/2006 5:23:50 AM PST by 8mmMauser

Republican gubernatorial front-runner Charlie Crist says he was perfectly clear in opposing governmental intervention in the Terri Schiavo case.

He spoke out loudly.

And he was silent.

Loudly silent.

The day after limping through a tough nationally televised debate, the Republican attorney general wanted to talk about his plans to slash taxes. Instead reporters questioned him about his debate assertion that, “Yes, I did’’ speak out against Congress trying to force the reinsertion of the severely brain-damaged woman’s feeding tube in 2005.

Crist did not publicly express his opposition to the Schiavo intervention until April 2006, more than a year after the Pinellas woman’s death. But he maintained on Tuesday that he forcefully expressed his opposition from the start.

“I spoke loudly,” Crist said in Tallahassee. “I think it’s important that when issues like that come up and you believe that government is the appropriate place for it that you act that out, and you walk the walk, and don’t just talk the talk.’’

The attorney general noted that his office “by not going to court and pushing the agenda on that issue, that was speaking out louder than anybody else did in Florida.”

This is one of many issues — from insurance reform to abortion and civil unions — where Crist has been accused of ambiguity or trying please all sides.

Contrary to his comments Tuesday, during the Republican gubernatorial primary in August he stressed to the weekly newspaper of the Florida Baptist Convention that his office helped the governor’s office with legal work to keep Schiavo alive, even though he personally had qualms.

“I don’t remember that, but I’ll check on it and see,” Crist said when asked about that interview with the Florida Baptist Witness.

Gov. Jeb Bush came to his would-be successor’s defense. “He spoke out to me,” Bush told reporters. Crist, however, said he never directly talked to Bush.

There are few issues in the political realm so black and white as the Terri Schiavo case. People either supported the state and federal government intervening to keep her alive or they didn’t.

But Crist is the second statewide candidate recently to face questions about how he acted during the Schiavo end-of-life controversies that erupted in 2003 in the Legislature and in 2005 in both the Legislature and Congress.

Democratic Attorney General candidate Walter “Skip” Campbell, a state senator from Broward County, has been on the defensive this week for having voted to keep Schiavo alive and later criticizing the governmental intervention. Crist’s involvement in the Schiavo case may be the only common ground between the Schindler family, Terri

Schiavo’s parents and siblings who fought to keep her alive, and her husband, Michael Schiavo, who insisted his wife did not want to be kept alive in a persistent vegetative state. Both sides have criticized Crist.

“When he said in that debate that he’s going to be a leader, my heart dropped. He’s not a leader, he’s a follower,’’ Michael Schiavo said Tuesday. “If he really wanted to stand up he would have said, 'No, this is wrong. The government should stay out of this.’ ... Charlie Crist did not say a word, he was nowhere to be found. He’s a coward.’’

Terri Schiavo’s father, Bob Schindler, wrote an essay in August accusing Crist of snubbing the family’s pleas for him to help their efforts. “Florida Atty. Gen. Charlie Crist let my daughter die. He had it within his authority to save her life, but he turned a blind eye to her suffering,’’ Schindler wrote.

The Florida Democratic Party issued a release saying Crist “lied” about his role in the Schiavo case, but at a brief campaign stop at Arco-Iris restaurant in Tampa on Tuesday, Davis would only say that Crist “misrepresented his position.”

“I was up fighting George Bush and the entire United States Congress, both political parties, and Charlie Crist was unwilling to take a position,” Davis said.

Davis, trailing in polls and campaign money, is hoping his debate performance Monday night will cut Crist’s advantages. No statewide viewership numbers were available Tuesday, but in the Tampa Bay area about 152,000 households tuned in — a ratings jump for that time slot on WFLA — and that doesn’t include those who watched on MSNBC.

- Tallahassee bureau chief Steve Bousquet and staff writer Alex Leary contributed to this report. Adam C. Smith can be reached at asmith@sptimes.com or (727) 893-8241.\


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KEYWORDS: crist; cristsecrets; governor; hadidcf; jebbush; judgefarnell; novterridailies; schiavo; terri; terridailies
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To: 8mmMauser

Scientists are mixing human dna with plant dna. I guess it's anything goes now that family values and religion are being tossed out as too extreme.


381 posted on 11/12/2006 7:39:34 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: T'wit

IMO, crist's friends are ready to buy up Cuba as soon as Fidel croaks. he's not the people's governor elect. he's the donald's governor.


382 posted on 11/12/2006 7:40:17 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: Lesforlife

"In the mold of Barak Obama."

Heard a good one yesterday.

What's the difference between Obama and God?






























God doesn't think He's Obama...


383 posted on 11/12/2006 7:44:54 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: 8mmMauser
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52901

The governor elect is getting a dog which is cheaper than a wife and kids.

384 posted on 11/12/2006 7:50:31 AM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: floriduh voter

I hope they do the right thing and grant Cuba statehood if the people so choose. That's assuming they ever get a chance to choose.


385 posted on 11/12/2006 3:10:55 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: floriduh voter
Scientists are mixing human dna with plant dna.

Well, I guess that explains what happened to the news media. Even snakes have more independent thought.

386 posted on 11/12/2006 3:35:18 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: T'wit
What is wrong with trying to save an innocent woman's life? That is lawmakers' constitutional duty!

As hard as "we" (not you or me) are trying to get away from the Constitution, maybe that is why she had to die?

387 posted on 11/12/2006 3:44:27 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: 8mmMauser
The "Kiss of Death" is the perfect description.

Looking at that photo again, it looks like he is sucking money from her brain.

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388 posted on 11/12/2006 4:11:22 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: T'wit
Baby euthanasia? I say, wait until they're teenagers and just impossible.

Joe Kennedy was way ahead of his time.

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Rosemary a few years before Joe had her brain lobotomized.

389 posted on 11/12/2006 4:36:31 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: Ohioan from Florida; Goodgirlinred; Miss Behave; cyn; Alissa; AlwaysFree; amdgmary; angelwings49; ..
One explanation from the right...

Well, it's all over and, as I had feared, the Democrats have taken control of the government. Everyone has a theory as to why it happened, but the bottom line is, conservatives don't vote for liberals, so a lot of them must have stayed home with few conservatives to vote for. Democrats claim it was a statement against the religious right. The religious right maintains that the Republican Party abandoned them, so they abandoned the party. It's not all about values voters, but the Democrat strategy of promoting pro-life, conservative Democrats paid off for them in a substantial number of key races. But you know, I'm just an average woman. I don't have a Harvard education, I'm not part of a think tank of conservative elites. All I can do is speak for myself. I did vote Republican, but I did so voting for the lesser of two evils. Whereas I had volunteered in the 2004 races, I could not, in good conscience, man the phones and ask people to vote for candidates I did not believe represented the values of faith, family, or country that I had believed the party represented in 2004. So here is my list of how the Republican Party failed me and the people of the United States of America:

Snip...

There was also the Terri Schiavo murder, which has laid the groundwork for other murders of vulnerable citizens in the name of financial interests or the "letter of the law". We are a nation of laws, our leaders tell us, but the laws being made must not trump the higher law of God, or the law ceases to be law, but merely tyranny. Euthanasia is easing its way into our consciousness, and incorporating itself into our conscience like one of those internet worms that disguises itself as part of your anti-virus program.

Snip...

Torture. I don't know how much exaggeration there was regarding our treatment of Iraqi prisoners, but I do know of at least one prisoner who died as a result of his treatment. I don't think most Americans can reconcile this behavior with their self-image as a country and a people, or with their Christian conscience. It's not the kind of country we want to be. I know things go on in war that are barbaric on both sides, but I find discussions of what kind of torture and how much we're allowed to do within the law deeply disturbing. That kind of thinking is too much like the twisted kind of thinking that got Terri Schiavo killed. Torture is barbaric—period.

Crying over spilt blood

8mm


390 posted on 11/13/2006 3:21:18 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: 8mmMauser
And a counter...

In The New York Times Book Review today, John Wilson wrote a version of a piece I've been seeing a lot of lately. He argued that the danger of the Christian right has been wildly overstated, offering as examples books like my Kingdom Coming: The Rise of Christian Nationalism, Kevin Phillips American Theocracy, and the documentary Jesus Camp.

Snip...

Of course, these last few days have been distinctly unhappy ones for the Christian nationalists, and I certainly feel far more optimistic than I did a year ago. When I finished Kingdom Coming, Ted Haggard was still a leading spokesman for the sanctity of heterosexual marriage, critics of Mel Gibson's anti-Semitism were being dismissed as paranoid Christophobes, Ralph Reed was better known for his association with the Christian Coalition than with Indian casinos and Jack Abramoff, Tom DeLay was ruling the House and the Senate was being led by a man who purported to diagnose Terri Schiavo via cable TV. On Tuesday, some of the movement's Congressional stalwarts fell, including Rick Santorum and John Hostettler. Ohio gubernatorial candidate Ken Blackwell, one of the politicians most closely associated with Christian nationalism, was annihilated. Most heartening of all were the ballot initiative victories -- abortion in South Dakota, gay marriage in Arizona, stem cells in Missouri -- that both rejected fundamentalism and helped neutralize right-wing demagoguery about activist judges.

What, Me Worry? The Christian Right and "Theocracy Hype"

8mm

391 posted on 11/13/2006 3:35:31 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: All
The Armey of One grunts...

Reagan on Terri's Legacy??? Really????

Now spending is out of control. Rather than rolling back government, we have a new $1.2 trillion Medicare prescription drug benefit, and non-defense discretionary spending is growing twice as fast as it did in the Clinton administration. Meanwhile, Social Security is collapsing while rogue nations are going nuclear and the Middle East is more combustible than ever. Yet Republican lawmakers have taken up such issues as flag burning, Terri Schiavo and same-sex marriage.

Republicans must go back to Reagan's roots

8mm

392 posted on 11/13/2006 3:39:38 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: All
The Terri Legacy "Intervention"...

Mr. Bush's 2005 Social Security juggernaut came apart because he neglected nuts and bolts when he built it. Since then, wars aside, it has been all noise and lights. Intervention in Terri Schiavo's death and approving a fence that's not as long as the border were both examples of how to take a quick shot at a target of opportunity without materially changing anything. And so the time has passed.

I want the chance to vote for W. in '08

8mm

393 posted on 11/13/2006 3:44:20 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: All
About Armey...

What can Republicans do while the Democrats attempt to run the House? Roll over and revel in the fact that their in the minority? No. There is a school of thought by Dick Armey and others that this leadership lost its way when it spent more time on social conservative issues like gay marriage and forgot about the libertarians and economic conservatives--camps where more and more independents are headed these days. The high water mark of this movement was Terry Schiavo-where congress got involved when many felt they should not have.

A new beginning

8mm

394 posted on 11/13/2006 3:47:35 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: bjs1779

Another one of those tragic medical mix-ups. It was Teddy who needed the lobotomy.


395 posted on 11/13/2006 3:50:30 AM PST by T'wit ("Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys"-PJ)
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To: All; narses; nancyvideo
Ping to thread by nancyvideo on the Supremes and babies. Thanks, narses...

Can lawyers debate the butchering of innocent children while keeping a straight face, and a settled stomach? The answer, apparently, is "almost." At least that's what I saw from my center seat at the Supreme Court arguments Wednesday on partial birth abortion. I came away with three observations.

Supreme Court Debates Best Method To Execute A Baby

8mm

396 posted on 11/13/2006 4:48:33 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: All; Knitting A Conundrum
Ping to prayer thread for our country by Knitting a Conundrum...

At this time, when feelings run high, the world seems crazy, and anger seems to be the one thing the peoples of the world have in common, I invite you, my fellow FReepers, to join me in prayers and meditation for guidance, God's help and for our fellow man, for America, our troops, and all our own needs.

The Prayer Room: Praying for America, FR, and all who need it

8mm

397 posted on 11/13/2006 4:53:11 AM PST by 8mmMauser ("We will not be silent. We are your bad conscience. The White Rose will give you no rest.")
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To: 8mmMauser

Really great analysis! One of the best I've read
since the debacle.


398 posted on 11/13/2006 7:37:55 AM PST by Lesforlife ("For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb . . ." Psalm 139:13!!!!!)
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To: 8mmMauser
I'm glad that authors are starting to call what happened to her The Terri Schiavo Murder. It is counter to everything the media has been pushing for years. Terri was murdered and word is finally getting out.

If any one will go to jail remains to be seen but she was tortured for 13 days and died of murder. The fact that there was such a large law enforcement present should really scare koolaid drinkers. The media didn't really show how many cops there really were there. That's how key it was that Terri was murdered. The new world order globalists were counting on it. They got what they wanted. Knowledge isn't power. Money is power.

399 posted on 11/13/2006 3:56:13 PM PST by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org or Join Terri's Legacy List Contact: 8mmmauser)
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To: Lesforlife; 8mmMauser
I would disagree with the lady on a point or two, but it is wonderful to hear at least one intelligent writer offers a thought-out position on Terri Schiavo.

We have heard literally scores of Democrat pols and bloggers spit out Terri's name as if it were a curse. They treat the whole matter reflexively and never bother to make an argument at all. They don't present facts (and usually don't know the facts). They don't reason. They just take it for granted that everybody agrees with them it was wrong to butt into Michael Schiavo's private murder.

None of them could answer my simple question after the autopsy report ruled out bulimia (and any other known natural causes for her injuries). What DID happen to Terri? She was healthy and almost certainly asleep. Then Michael came home. Then suddenly she was on the floor face down, in cardiac arrest, almost dead and permanently disabled with severe brain damage. Michael knows what happened. He should tell the truth. It weighs heavily on him.

400 posted on 11/13/2006 5:31:07 PM PST by T'wit ("Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys"-PJ)
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