Navy Says Wreck Found Off Japan is Legendary Sub USS Wahoo

Navy Newsstand ^ | 10/31/2006 7:01:00 PM | Commander, U.S. Pacific Fleet Public Affairs

[lndrvr1972]

Well I might be able to catch some in the Gulf Stream but its kind of late. I caught two this summer one at 35lbs the other around 28lbs. Try your local fish monger, It is a very flaky and great tasting fish. Look me up in early May of 07. I troll for them all the time..

[Terpin]

" Was the Wahoo sunk by a Hokie? "

can you tell us non Virginians please ?

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The University of Virginia Caviliers call themselves the Wahoos. Viginia Tech's mascot is the Hokie. It's a big rivalry in Virginia. Usually the Hokie gets the best of the Wahoo.

[Robert A Cook PE]

While the Wahoo is justly famed, I'd never heard of the equal sacrifice of the men in the L-19 or SS-371....

Wahoo’s discovery comes on the heels of a similar discovery of USS Lagarto (SS 371), which the Navy confirmed was found in the Gulf of Thailand in June.

Sobering, the men we don't hear about.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Issue has been (gently) discussed before, but it comes up now and then. Here's the story.

Traditionally, a "boat" is something that can be picked up and loaded (carried) on a "ship" as it crosses the ocean. That is, on a normal long ocean voyage, a boat can't make it across safely and reliably but a ship is designed to make the same voyage easily.

Well, the first subs couldn't make it (too little fuel, not enough supplies, too low a freeboard for storms/large waves, too slow to keep up with a convoy, etc. So they were deployed as deck cargo overseas to Hawaii, Panama, etc.

The name stuck.

The "pig boat" traditional name from their smell and (lack of) cleanliness inside.

[Jackknife]

Ping

[Valin]

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by James F. DeRose
Foreword by Rear Admiral Roger W. Paine, Jr., USN (Ret.)

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IBM-exec-turned-historian James DeRose focuses on officers associated with the legendary USS Wahoo (SS-238). Headed by Dudley "Mush" Morton and his executive officer, Richard "Dick" O'Kane, they included George Grider, author of the classic War Fish, and Roger Paine, DeRose's principal informant. Numbering about a dozen in all, they did more than their share to establish the aggressive submarine tactics used in the war against Japan. Some of the material DeRose presents will be familiar to all but naval-history novices, but by drawing on oral history and untapped Japanese sources, DeRose adds considerably to readily available knowledge on his subject. For example, DeRose discloses that most of the men in the water attacked by Wahoo during a controversial episode of Morton's career were Indian POWs being shipped to New Guinea as slave laborers. DeRose also provides a balanced account of the small-group politics of submarine command and a harrowing last hours of the men trapped aboard USS Tang (SS-306), which was sunk by one of her own circle-run torpedoes.

This new Hardback book has a full-color dust jacket. 310 pages, 21 historic B/W photographs, 1 maps, 4 diagrams, an 11 page appendix and index.

BOOK REVIEWS

"James DeRose has done an excellent job surprisingly so, in view of his lack of true World War II submarine experience. He obviously contacted everyone he could find who served on one of the three boats he concentrated on, and he read, as well, everything he could find that was written about them... DeRose shines by his interpretation of events as the Japanese must have seen them... His reconstruction of how Wahoo came to her end may well be pretty close to correct... He does the same with Tang." Captain Edward L. Beach, USN (Ret.). Author of "Submarine!" and "Run Silent, Run Deep."

"I knew all of the book s main characters quite well... I am also completely familiar with submarine operations in the Pacific. With that background I couldn't fail to thoroughly enjoy DeRose's book. It is well written and has the right feel." Rear Admiral Chester W. Nimitz Jr., USN (Ret.)

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[SunkenCiv]

This topic was posted 11/01/2006, thanks Excuse_My_Bellicosity.

[NorthMountain]

CDR Dudley W “Mush” Morton, Officers and Men of USS WAHOO:

RIP and thank you.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Haven’t tried Ono but I do like a good Mahi-Mahi.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Yes!