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To: NonLinear

A mighty job of cutting and pasting.

Thank you for proving my point. You said:

"Can I find a MSM article that says "WE SUPPORT BEHEADINGS"?

Not too likely. "

And, despite your claim, errors and distortions about war and acts of violence do not constitute support for beheadings.

I can't understand why you and others can't see the difference. Emotionally, you obviously feel that one rises to the level of the other.

But they are not the same.

I hope you can honestly see that. Otherwise, I'm afraid you, and a few others, have lost the ability to objectively consider information that conflicts with your opinions.

That's not a good place to be.


210 posted on 11/01/2006 11:03:48 PM PST by Air Force Brat
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To: Air Force Brat; SIDENET; M1Tanker; Earthdweller
From CBS (Is that mainstream enough for you?)
Saudi Arabia's Beheading Culture

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia, June 25, 2004


(AP) The Saudi government beheaded 52 men and one woman last year for crimes including murder, homosexuality, armed robbery and drug trafficking. But Saudis say that while Islam condones the punishment in one context, it condemns militants who decapitated hostages here and in Iraq.

Islam permits the death penalty for certain crimes, but few mainstream Muslim scholars and observers believe beheadings are sanctioned by Sharia, or Islamic law.

The Saudi government says the punishment is sanctioned by Islamic tradition. State-ordered beheadings are performed in courtyards outside crowded mosques in major cities after weekly Friday prayer services.

A condemned convict is brought into the courtyard, hands tied, and forced to bow before an executioner, who swings a huge sword amid cries from onlookers of "Allahu Akbar!" Arabic for "God is great."

On Friday, outside the main mosque in the Saudi capital, Riyadh, a policeman standing in the scorching summer heat declared to worshippers: "There are no qisas today." Qisas is the Arabic word for Islamic-law punishments — which in the kingdom could mean beheadings or the amputation of limbs.

But Saudi clerics insist beheading is only allowed in the case of criminal convictions — not in the killing of innocents.

"No religion condones these acts," Abdul Muhsen al Obaiqan, a senior Islamic cleric in Riyadh, told The Associated Press. "They are against Islam and they tarnish the image of Muslims. No Muslim should show any sympathy for them."

Last week, al Qaeda-linked militants in Saudi Arabia decapitated American engineer Paul M. Johnson Jr. after warning they would kill him if the Saudi government did not release jailed comrades.

In Iraq this week, militants beheaded Kim Sun-il, a South Korean translator for a U.S. military supplier, and dumped his body between Baghdad and Fallujah. American businessman Nicholas Berg met a similar fate last month in Iraq. Both killings are blamed on the al Qaeda-linked movement of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

The beheadings were videotaped, photographed and posted on the Internet — a new tactic apparently aimed at increasing the shock value of the militants' campaign against Westerners.

Al Qaeda is thought to be trying to drive out foreigners, depriving the kingdom of a vital work force and undermining the rule of the Saud royal family.

Beheading has been nearly unknown in previous Middle East violence. The militants may have been seeking to give an Islamic veneer to the slayings — or they may have been taking a page from Islamic militant groups elsewhere. Beheadings have occurred in Algeria, Kashmir, Chechnya and the Muslim-dominated southern Philippines.

The beheadings of Johnson, Kim and Berg drew condemnations from Saudi officials, Islamic leaders and scholars throughout the Middle East.

Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud denounced Kim's decapitation as "inhumane and cruel."

Columnist Qenan al-Ghamdi wrote in the Al-Watan daily of Johnson's death, "Saudis were saddened by this crime because it was perpetrated in the name of Islam by some of their sons against a resident in their country and in such an ugly and despicable way."

Badr bin Nasser al Badr, a theology professor at Riyadh's Imam University, told the AP: "Our guests are protected by our faith, Islam. Their lives and property should be protected. Their blood and lives are as precious as ours."

"The killing of foreigners who are working and feel secure in Muslim countries ... is not sanctioned by Islam," said Lebanon's top Shiite Muslim cleric, Grand Ayatollah Sheik Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah.

Egypt's foremost religious leader, Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, told an Islamic conference in Yemen that "such beheadings and (the) mutilation of bodies stand against Islam and have nothing to do with Sharia."

But in Kuwait, Osama al-Menawer, a lawyer who defends fundamentalists, said beheading is "the least painful method (of execution)."

"Killing is killing. Incendiary bombs dropped on Palestinians and Iraqis are much worse," he said. "This is a state of war. Americans are invaders and they kill every day."

And on Islamic Internet forums, mostly used by radicals, beheading has been a popular topic in recent weeks, with many participants describing it as the "easiest" way to kill an American or a Saudi from the ruling family.

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217 posted on 11/02/2006 4:33:10 AM PST by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: Air Force Brat; SIDENET; M1Tanker; Earthdweller
How about MSNBC?

Islamic Web site shows beheading pictures
Iraqi militants claim Egyptian was U.S. military spy
NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE

Updated: 8:38 a.m. ET Aug. 13, 2004

CAIRO, Egypt - An Islamic Web site posted still pictures Friday that purportedly showed Iraqi militants beheading an Egyptian man who they claimed was spying for the U.S. military.

There was no way to verify the authenticity of the images, and there was no record that the man, identified on the Web site as Mohammed Fawzi Abdaal Mutwalli, had been kidnapped. The pictures are apparently stills from a video on the site that could not be accessed. The date of the beheading was not given.

A second Web site, an English-language site that does not appear to have political links, carried the video of the beheading. Neither site gave a date for the killing. Story continues below ↓ advertisement

Police officials have said Mutwalli, 45, went to Iraq in 1986 to work as a car mechanic. He is single and comes from the village of Saqr in Dakahlia province in the Nile Delta, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

There was no immediate comment from U.S. officials.

First reports came Wednesday Reports of the beheading had first surfaced Wednesday, and Egyptian government officials could not confirm it. Friday's edition of the opposition newspaper Ahrar quoted the Egyptian Foreign Ministry as saying it had received no news of Mutwalli's kidnapping or killing.

Until Friday, there had been no evidence of an Arab hostage having been beheaded by Iraqi militants acting for political motives. A Lebanese Muslim hostage, Hussein Alyan, was killed this year, but his kidnappers may have had criminal motives as they made no political demands to spare his life.

The images show three masked men standing in front of a banner carrying the name and golden-sun logo of Tawhid and Jihad, the group led by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi that has claimed responsibility for the beheading of other hostages in Iraq _ including American Nicholas Berg and the South Korean translator Kim Sun-il.

The pictures showed a man, with a mustache and an Arabic robe, sitting in front of the three masked men with his hands tied behind his back. Captions on the pictures of the hostage say: "From the Arab Republic of Egypt. Mohammed Fawzi Abdaal Mutwalli. I was working as a spy with the Americans in Iraq."

A statement that appeared on the Web site alongside the pictures said: "This is the story of the Egyptian traitor spy."

"This criminal confessed"
"This criminal confessed that he was taking electronic devices from the Americans to throw them into the Mujahedeen's (holy warriors') locations so the Americans could identify the targets and raid them with planes and missiles."


The sequential pictures then show the man lying on the ground. A militant decapitates him with a knife and places his severed head on his back.

In the video shown on the second Web site, the militant who kills the hostage says in Arabic: "Today we are executing God's punishment on this criminal by beheading him."

The site shows only the video of the beheading, not the hostage's purported comments beforehand. It is an English-language site that offers recent beheadings in Iraq and Saudi Arabia as well as pornography.

The morality of killing Muslims who work for the U.S.-led multinational force in Iraq has long been debated on Islamic extremist Web sites, but generally it has been considered justifiable.

A Turkish hostage, Murat Yuce, was shot dead by Tawhid and Jihad militants in an Internet video that appeared on Aug. 2. The kidnappers claimed he supported "the occupier."

Opinions have been mixed on taking Muslims hostage and beheading them, with some saying "fellow Muslims" should be spared and others saying they should be killed to deter Muslims from becoming "allied with the devil."

The alleged spiritual leader of Tawhid and Jihad, Sheik Abu Anas al-Shami, posted an audio tape on the Internet on July 28 in which he defended the killing of Muslims who work for "infidels" without opposition.

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Q.E.D.



218 posted on 11/02/2006 4:46:36 AM PST by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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