[metmom]

In other words, moral reasoning assumes the existence of things that science tells us are unreal.

Thanks betty boop, for the great thread.

It's even more than that. There is reality that exists beyond which science can know or measure. To try to reduce everything to merely it's physical properties,to act like anything that's not physical is not real but a fairy tale or delusion, is what's being *intellectually dishonest*.

It's like a horse with blinders on, they can only see a small part of reality, it gives a distorted view of the world around them and to say that that's all there is and it's accurate is incorrect. For them to pontificate about things they have no knowledge of because they have deliberately excluded them from their consideration, is deceptive.

Just because science cannot measure or record it, doesn't mean it's not real.

[RunningWolf]

Partially blind and distorted yes.
But maybe for some of them it is really not dishonest nor deceptive, but they simply are not able to see beyond those horizon's.

In their world; as science cannot measure or record it, does mean it has no reality.

W.

[little jeremiah]

For them to pontificate about things they have no knowledge of because they have deliberately excluded them from their consideration, is deceptive.

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