[Jaguarbhzrd]

Why is it you have to pray that God will change my heart?

Just give me facts, and if they are convincing facts, I will change my mind.

If you have to reach out to God to change my heart and mind, it tells me that you don't have much of an argument.

Science is based on the physical, repeatable, and inductive, it is not Philisophical as you guys are attempting to claim.

If you feel the need to believe that God created the universe, then please do so. Just because you feel this way, does not make it necassary for science to make itself useless so that you will be philisophically comfortable with it.

[FreedomProtector]

Just give me facts,...

Abiogenesis is extremely improbable. Obtaining enough beneficial random mutations to go to change ameba to human in any amount of time is extremely improbable as well. i.e. Haldane's dilemma. Faith in either or both is irrational faith.

...and if they are convincing facts, I will change my mind. If you have to reach out to God to change my heart and mind, it tells me that you don't have much of an argument.

I don't have the power to change your heart, or your presuppositions. Paul noted in the book of Romans:

The mind of the flesh is hostile against God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so.

Aquinas put it this way:

To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.

If I present a case that provides a over welling preponderance of evidence supporting intelligent design, it is impossible for you to understand until your presuppositions are changed first. This is not because you are intellectually stupid--in fact I believe just the opposite, I believe that you have a cunning wit and are very intelligent and have a great deal of respect for you as you were created in the image of God. However, the perspective of the heart is fundamental to what the observer can see and is capable of understanding.


Science is based on the physical, repeatable, and inductive, it is not Philisophical as you guys are attempting to claim.


Historical reconstruction is not repeatable, it is based on faith. Historical reconstruction via chance and natural process is unreasonable/irrational faith.


science to make itself useless

The study of the the book of God's world is certainly not useless.


Why is it you have to pray that God will change my heart?

I believe it would be more interesting experiment if you asked God to change your own heart. This would be an interesting experiment for you to try, if you did it sincerely. I know that you believe there is knowledge to be gained via experimentation. Many people in history have performed/repeated the same experiment and have been surprised by joy.