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To: cornelis; betty boop

Mathematics enters into knowledge of the stars very early. Primitive societies needed to understand the seasons and to know when to plant and when to harvest. Therefore you early develop a four-quarter calendar, with solstices and equinoxes.

Astronomy grows out of astrology. Astrologers needed mathetmatics to calculate stellar and planetary affects. In the Renaissance, Tycho Brahe was an astrologer, as I recall, and developed the math that led to the theory of eliptical orbits in his efforts to pin down astrological calculations more accurately.

Modern astronomers still use the constellations for reference, as well as measurements in degrees, because it makes it easier to locate something with the human eye. So the change from viewing stars and planets as gods or as celestial objects set in crystaline spheres inhabited by spiritual beings to objects made of the modern elements moving by gravity was not a sudden switch but something gradual.

As C. S. Lewis often notes, and plays with in his trilogy beginning with Out of the Silent Planet, the universe changed from something filled with light, life, and spirit into something dark, empty, and lifeless, but a good part of the change is more a matter of attitude than of scientific advancement.

In its origins, science was intimately connected with magic, because both are concerned not only with knowledge, but with a desire for power and control over nature and other people. Skeptical modern scientists tend to confuse science with religion, thinking both are superstitious. But religion is the desire to do what God wants and to do right toward others; magic is the desire to displace God and gain power for oneself. In that regard, magic and superstition are closer to science than to true religion.


242 posted on 11/01/2006 1:44:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero; cornelis; Alamo-Girl
As C. S. Lewis often notes, and plays with in his trilogy beginning with Out of the Silent Planet, the universe changed from something filled with light, life, and spirit into something dark, empty, and lifeless, but a good part of the change is more a matter of attitude than of scientific advancement.

Hold that thought, Cicero, because we'll be returning to it shortly.

Meanwhile, attitude and atmospherics seem to be what's driving the public discourse these days. (Forget reason.) And it is a very thin gruel.... One cannot be nourished from it.

Thank you for another beautiful essay post!

252 posted on 11/01/2006 7:16:43 PM PST by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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To: Cicero
...religion is the desire to do what God wants and to do right toward others; magic is the desire to displace God and gain power for oneself.

And vive la difference! As it plays out in the human soul and, beyond that, into human communities, I mean.

Thank you for the insight, Cicero. Be speaking with you again soon.

255 posted on 11/01/2006 7:27:40 PM PST by betty boop (Beautiful are the things we see...Much the most beautiful those we do not comprehend. -- N. Steensen)
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