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To: Texasforever
I agree that evolution does not address anything other than what happens during the animation cycle of an organism. It does not address how that organism came to be animated. If Evolution is that limited then science is left with a gaping hole and maybe it should be addressed.

Evolution can only address what it was meant to address. Specifically, it is imperfect replication and a change in alleles in a population over time. It only deals with living organisms. It cannot, and does not, deal with non-life. I agree that I would like a theory that would explain that, but that would be another theory entirely. Right now there is not enough evidence to go beyond the hypothesis stage.

If science can reproduce "creation" in the lab then ID or Creationism is forever discredited.

Actually, I've had that discussion with others. Creationists will not consider ID or creationism discredited in those circumstances. I believe that the exact response was "get your own dirt". Meaning, do it without any atoms to work with. It never ends.

495 posted on 10/25/2006 11:09:33 PM PDT by wyattearp (Study! Study! Study! Or BONK, BONK, on the head!)
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To: wyattearp
Actually, I've had that discussion with others. Creationists will not consider ID or creationism discredited in those circumstances.

That is a cop out. At one time the belief that the Earth was flat was considered scientific and religious fact and was taught in schools. That view was discarded as irrefutable proof was presented to discredit it and , especially the religious faction, had no choice but to adapt. It was a long and painful process BUT it was based on competing ideas and not decided in courtrooms. That is the difference I see with ToE. That is science that has been dictated not by debate in the realm of ideas but in courts that have decided that there is no room for competing dogma. Make no mistake that many in the evolution camp are just as dogmatic in their defense of their science as the most rigid fundamentalist creationist. I see it on this very thread.

504 posted on 10/25/2006 11:20:31 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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