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To: Veggie Todd

We're not talking about Samhain, are we? We're talking about Halloween. Samhain is a pagan holiday. Halloween is a Christian holiday.

Yes, Samhain predates Christianity, but like many pagan holidays, it was usurped by the Church for its own uses.

Samhain is gone...replaced by Halloween. Halloween, even in its name, is a Christian holiday, not a pagan one.

We could look at Easter, Christmas, and some other holidays as well, and find their pagan equivalent on the calendar, too, if you'd like.

The holiday bearing the name Halloween is a Christian invention, set up to replace the old Celtic pagan holiday. The Church in that time found it convenient to supplant those pagan holidays with ones more appropriate for Christians.

Even the name Easter has pagan roots....it was coopted by the Church, but held its name. A nice fertility festival for the pagans got converted to a resurrection festival. Oddly enought, it had pretty much the same function for the pagans...just a different religious emphasis. The dead plants coming back to life again after the cold winter, or the Messiah coming back again after the crucifixion. Very nice that the two ended up being celebrated at the same time, eh? Worked out well for the Church, too.


54 posted on 10/24/2006 1:57:36 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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To: MineralMan

You're right. It is a secular holiday with a mixed history of observance.

Pope Bonifice created All Saints Day and some say he reset the date to 1 November to coopt the pagan celebration. European Protestants banned it. In other places, like Ireland, it continued on. Later, it was pretty much banned from the American colonies.

When the immigrants started flowing in, especially the Irish, Halloween once again grew in popularity as a children's holiday.

The only spell being cast on these little girls is done through their parents' negligence, IMHO.


65 posted on 10/24/2006 2:09:37 PM PDT by Racehorse (Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.)
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To: MineralMan
You confuse "The Church" with Christanity
67 posted on 10/24/2006 2:10:19 PM PDT by apackof2 (They don't care how much you know until they know how much you care)
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To: MineralMan
I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said except that Samhain is gone. As you know, the Sabbats are celebrated by many people. The Christians placed their holidays near the pagan holidays to try to lure them to Christianity. Just because I steal my neighbors Chevy and put a Ford emblem on it doesn't mean I'm driving a Ford.
76 posted on 10/24/2006 2:23:10 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (Were those magic grits?)
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To: MineralMan

The devil meant it for evil and God turned it to Good.


89 posted on 10/24/2006 2:41:14 PM PDT by Rte66
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