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General May Increase U.S. Troop Levels in Baghdad
Assyrian International News Agency ^ | GMT 10-24-2006 15:21:38 | John O'Neil NYT

Posted on 10/24/2006 12:22:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

America's top general in Iraq said he was considering sending more troops to help quell the violence in Baghdad, as he and the United States ambassador laid out a timetable for progress that they said has been agreed to by the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki.

The ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad, said the timetable includes settling political differences between the country's competing groups through a "national compact" within the next year, and taking quick action on some of the country's most obdurate issues, including cracking down on Shiite militias, persuading Sunni insurgents to lay down their arms and reaching a fair division of oil revenues.

Ambassador Khalilzad said that some of these steps should be taken in the next few weeks, while he expected others to be completed a year from now.

"Iraqi officials have agreed to a timeline for making these difficult decisions," he said.

Mr. Khalilzad appeared at an usual joint news conference with Gen. George W. Casey Jr., the top military commander in Iraq, at a time when relations between Mr. Maliki's government and the Bush administration have become increasingly strained and the conflict has taken center stage in the fall Congressional campaign.

General Casey defended the effort to quell sectarian killings in Baghdad, which has led to a surge in American fatalities, saying that it has had a "decisive" effect in the neighborhoods that have been its focus.

Last week the military's top spokesman said the strategy was being re-evaluated in light of "disheartening" increases in violence elsewhere in the city, and the need for troops to return areas that had already been cleared.

Today General Casey declined to say what new measures were being contemplated. But he raised the possibility that solidifying any gains in Baghdad may require an increase in forces.

"Now, do we need more troops to do that? Maybe," he said. "And as I've said all along, I will ask for the troops I need, both coalition and Iraqis."

Military officials have said that American troops have borne the brunt of the Baghdad fighting, in part because the Iraqi army did not deliver as many soldiers as had been called for in the plan devised before the crackdown began in August.

General Casey also said that bringing peace to the capital was ultimately beyond the military's control. "I think it's important for all of us to understand that we're not going to have total security here in Baghdad until the major political issues that are dividing the country are resolved," he said. "The political leaders understand that. And they're wrestling with that part of it."

The surge in sectarian killings has disrupted the American military's original plan to draw down its forces in Iraq over the course of the year. General Casey said that the reductions, which began last December, were halted in June when it became clear that increased Iraqi forces in Baghdad were not having enough of an impact.

He said that had "a very strong belief" that the American military eventually needed to reduce its presence -- "we have to get out of their way," he said -- but declined to say if further reductions were possible.

"I can't tell you right now," he said, "till we get through the month of Ramadan and the rest of this, when that will be."

General Casey said that 300 members of the Iraqi security forces had died during Ramadan; at least 89 American soldiers have been killed this month, making it the year's deadliest.

The general said that at their current rate of development, in 12 to 18 months the Iraqi security forces "will emerge as the dominant force in Iraq," but said that even then some level of American support would be needed.

Mr. Khalilzad said that some of the milestones laid out in the plan could be achieved by the end of the year, like laying the groundwork for for the transfer of more areas to Iraqi military control and reaching an international accord that would link aid to economic reform.

Others would take longer, Mr. Khalilzad said, adding that he expected a national compact to be in place in a year's time.

No time frame was mentioned for the disarming of Shiite militias -- perhaps the most politically difficult step for Mr. Maliki, a Shiite politician whose coalition depends on groups with ties to the largest militias.

And Mr. Khalilzad and General Casey did not say what American officials planned to do if the timetable is not met.

Among the other steps that Mr. Khalilzad said must be completed "in the coming weeks" were drafting a law on the division of oil revenues; amending the new Constitution to deal with the concerns that led nearly all Sunnis to oppose it; transforming the current effort to rid the government of members of Saddam Hussein's Baath party into a vehicle for "accountability and reconciliation," and scheduling long-delayed provincial elections.

Many of these issues lie at the heart of the divisions between the country's ethnic groups. Some Shiite groups remain vehemently opposed to allowing former supporters of Mr. Hussein to take government positions. The national assembly that drafted the Constitution was unable to reach agreement on the division of oil revenues. Sunnis demanded the right to revise the Constitution because they feared that it left the door open to the creation of autonomous regions that could fracture the country. The Shiite-led government has so far ignored their promise to consider amendments, and Kurds and Shiites in Parliament recently passed a law allowing for the creation of such regions beginning 18 months from now.

Today's news conference in the heavily defended government Green Zone was briefly interrupted by a power outage. During the session, both men spoke scathingly of Iran and Syria, who they said were working to provoke instability.

Mr. Khalilzad lumped the two countries together with Al Qaeda as "the enemies of Iraq."

By contrast, they referred to the Sunni insurgents who until recently have been the main source of attacks on American troops in more measured terms, calling them "the resistance," and drawing a distinction between them and "terrorists and extremists" described by Mr. Khalilzad.

General Casey called them "the Sunnis who fight us and claim to be the honorable resistance of Iraq," and said that American officials have begun talking with them, along with the Iraqi government.

General Casey described the security situation as "difficult and complex," adding that "it's likely to remain that way over the near term."

"We have seen the nature of the conflict evolving from what was an insurgency against us to a struggle for the division of economic and political power," he said.

By John O'Neil
New York Times


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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baghdad; gencasey; iraq
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To: oceanview
"we don't need more troops if their mission remains the same - convoys, checkpoints, patrols. Either use acute US force, or don't add troops."

Also, do you guys realize what you pay an O-4 Navy pilot every year? If you send me to Iraq as a bullet sponge, I still get paid as an O-4 pilot. Makes more sense to give me a 15 year retirement package and hire 4 enlisted infantry guys to take my place who could do a much better job than this old goat.
21 posted on 10/24/2006 1:53:05 PM PDT by P3pilotJAX
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To: MNJohnnie

but they don't kill him - and its not like he is in hiding - he could be killed at any time, but isn't. he could be sent a message at any time by knocking off one of his "lieutenants" each and every day until he got the message, but that doesn't happen either.

and that tells you what the problem is.


22 posted on 10/24/2006 1:57:36 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: P3pilotJAX
If your that unhappy get out and become a commercial airline pilot if what your doing disrupts your family life that much. Both you and your wife should have known what could possibly happen when you got married and decided to have children.

BTW: What is it? 16 years or 19 years? Something else you seem to be at odds about.

For one who says they've been in for so long, you sure haven't learned much, and for you to say you're owed at least 18 months home duty, especially in a time of war, all I can say to that is you should have read the small print each time you re-enlisted by signing on the dotted line and taking the re-enlistment bonus.
23 posted on 10/24/2006 2:22:24 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (Soros and Clinton's for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington = SCREW.)
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To: oceanview

The problem with using more force is political. The current Iraqi government won't let us attack Ramadi or go into Sadr City.

The time to go on the offensive was before we got ourself locked into a government where an attack on any faction threatens to collapse that government.

The appeal of the national salvation government idea is that the gloves could come off.


24 posted on 10/24/2006 2:24:40 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: MNJohnnie

seems our pilot posted the same thing back in Aug

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1690518/posts?page=8#8


25 posted on 10/24/2006 2:27:21 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: boxerblues

Now that's interesting!


26 posted on 10/24/2006 2:37:29 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

but somewhere along the line he's lost 10 years of service in the Navy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1486385/posts?page=19#19


27 posted on 10/24/2006 2:54:32 PM PDT by boxerblues
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To: MNJohnnie
What do I think?

Not much.

I will reserve total judgment until P3 explains to all of you what he is doing on a carrier, since P3s are landbased aircraft and do not fly from carriers at all.

I would imagine a 9yr old child to be suicidal if you switched their brand of morning cereal.

I repeat, I dont think much of it, accept that its a lot of bitching for a Navy man. A LOT.
28 posted on 10/24/2006 3:41:51 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: boxerblues

Looks like ya' caught somebody in a lie,Didn't Ya',,?
OBTW,,,Great Sons You Got There...


29 posted on 10/24/2006 3:56:26 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: P3pilotJAX

Pilot,

the politics underpinning the current political spin is complex, but basically the President IS applying pressure and setting deadlines, using the current political climate in the US as an excuse to pressure the reluctant Iraqi's to shape up or risk losing our support. The coming 10 days will reveal the new strategy in better detail.

Don't believe the doom and gloom in the press about "stay the course" inflexibility in the administration. This is total hogwash. The President knows that we're streched, but also wants the Iraqis to show they are willing and able to take control themselves, in the near term.


30 posted on 10/24/2006 4:09:19 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: P3pilotJAX
"What do you think?"
I think I stand at attention and smartly salute your honorable service to your country, and then ask HE can do all things, to arrange for you to not have to go on that two year sea duty, and be able to spend more time with your family.
By arranging, I exclude the thoughts of injury,duty change due to misconduct, or less then high standards etc..
Keep the faith. Sometimes HE can set things up where it seems otherwise futile to hope.
I know. I've been there.
31 posted on 10/24/2006 4:11:27 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

HUMIT has a good handle on things.


32 posted on 10/24/2006 4:43:09 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: jmc1969

then let's go for the coup option. the current status quo cannot continue indefinitely, even the administration realizes that now I think.


33 posted on 10/24/2006 5:02:57 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Its best to give the Maliki government a few more months, if can can't do anything by Feb. or March then the situation will be bad enough that the Iraqi Army could carry off coup without too much trouble.


34 posted on 10/24/2006 8:05:09 PM PDT by jmc1969
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To: Pukin Dog
"I will reserve total judgment until P3 explains to all of you what he is doing on a carrier, since P3s are landbased aircraft and do not fly from carriers at all."

P-3 Officers do a two year disassociated tour on a carrier after their JO shore tour. I was a TAO on a carrier for two years. I have been in the Navy since 1987. Enlisted first, then went to the Naval Academy on a Sec Nav nomination in 1990. Jo tour as a P-3 pilot, shore tour as a jet instructor pilot (T-45s)...yes I am Carrier qualed......Carrier tour and now DH tour. I am scheduled to go back to teaching jets this coming summer if I don't pick up an IA.......Oh everyone who tells me to go to the airlines.....#1 they aren't hiring #2 You start at a very low wage #3 My job is actually a lot of fun

Oh and pukin dog...if you really are an F-14 driver, you should have known about the disassociated thing, so don't accuse me of being a phony....send me mail and I will give you my phone number...I will talk to you anytime about the military.....
35 posted on 10/24/2006 9:54:04 PM PDT by P3pilotJAX
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To: AmeriBrit
BTW: What is it? 16 years or 19 years? Something else you seem to be at odds about.

For one who says they've been in for so long, you sure haven't learned much, and for you to say you're owed at least 18 months home duty, especially in a time of war, all I can say to that is you should have read the small print each time you re-enlisted by signing on the dotted line and taking the re-enlistment bonus.

First off, I am not enlisted(was early on)...second, I have been in the Navy since 1987(you do the math). Years at the academy do not count even though we are active duty. You guys are jerks on this forum. I was just trying to put out some info to discuss. Just because we are in the military does not mean we deserve to be on the front lines for infinity....I have done my share and how dare you accuse me of being stupid. You don't even know me and I assure you that I am smart enough to know what I got myself into. My point has been missed by you and several other people. We are not using our men and equipment in the most efficient manner. I will happily go to Iraq in the capacity I am trained.
36 posted on 10/24/2006 10:00:39 PM PDT by P3pilotJAX
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To: P3pilotJAX; Pukin Dog

This item on cnn gave me pause and your post made me wonder if they were somehow connected.




Monday, October 23, 2006
Active troops ask congress to end Iraqi occupation
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sixty five active duty service members are officially asking Congress to end the war in Iraq -- the first time active troops have done so since U.S. invasion began in 2003.

Three of the service members will hold a press conference Wednesday explaining their decision to send "Appeals for Redress" under the Military Whistleblower Protection Act to their members of Congress. Under the act, National Guard and Reservists can send communications about any subject to their member of Congress without punishment.


-CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
Posted 10/23/2006 11:32:00 AM | Permalink
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/10/active-troops-ask-congress-to-end.html


37 posted on 10/24/2006 10:16:00 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: P3pilotJAX
Sorry, if you were on the up and up, you would have responded immediately. Looks like you just went away and did some research. Was that 16 or 26 years, by the way? Don't answer, as I will be ignoring your posts anyway. Cheers.
38 posted on 10/24/2006 10:31:16 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Being a Liberal is just a coping mechanism for low self esteem and/or bad parenting.)
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To: P3pilotJAX

"We need to kick the crap out of those bastards or get the hell out and let them kill each other. What do you think?"

I think Bush bet on our ability to overcome centuries of Arab tribalism, and violence inherent in islam. He thought a taste of democracy would be a powerful incentive, and that (almost) all would rally to his vision.

Yet few, if any, examples can be found among these people of the kind of modern civilization we hoped to softly impose.

So I agree with you. Blast them down to the extent we did
Germany and Japan. Sort of like an alcoholic or addict hitting true bottom.

Or quit kidding ourselves, and let them grovel in their chosen misery. It is their culture. Like DNA.


39 posted on 10/24/2006 10:45:11 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: P3pilotJAX

Sad story is right....resign your commission and go the F*ck home! I am very depressed about it....well, get over to medical and get some Zoloft first. Shameful. Master Sergeant/Iraq


40 posted on 10/24/2006 10:45:50 PM PDT by TheGunny (Re-read 1&2 Corinthians)
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