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To: mdmathis6

Wars are between groups. Right and wrong, for the most part, only operate within a group. Hell, even the Bible shows this. What about the war the Israelites waged upon the inhabitants of the Land of Milk and Honey just so they could take the land for themselves? Was that "right?" Of course, you'll say. God said it was right. But that makes right and wrong simply an opinion and not an absolute -- basically as arbitrary as you claim the morality of atheists to be.


198 posted on 10/19/2006 10:14:46 AM PDT by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: Junior

There is no "right or wrong" in the scientific sense, there for one can't discuss "rightness" in logical terms. Science cannot speak to morality or ethics in ways that can be measured or falsified

Yet if one buys into the notion of divinely revealed knowledge, then one can perhaps have a discussion of "rightness or wrongness".

Junior, I'm aware of some your posts in the EVO/CREAT threads...that's why I'm parsing so carefully.

The founding fathers and Citizens of early America were influenced by a strong Judeo-Christian ethos, whether or not some totally bought into Christianity or not. They were agreed on certain values and beliefs that formed a basis of their sense of what was "rightness or wrongness"
and this was built into the formation of the constitution.
It was not just in humorous jest that Franklin proclaimed..."We have given you a republic, if you can keep it!"

They feared that factionalism, and disagreements as to what constituted "rightness and wrongness" would someday tear the republic apart!

In a way the story of Camelot, and its destruction by Mordred who was able to foment civil war by exploiting the past sins of his father Arthur, catching him in a moral quandary...over wanting to show mercy to Guenivere while needing to execute her at the same time is really a cautionary tale for our own society.

The Democrats are Mordred in this case, who are totally given to using the perversities of men to accentuate their power. The Republicans are Arthur, who was minded to build a great society of justice and goodness, but ultimately fail when the Dem's take advantage of the Repubs' own imperfections. In the end, Camelot destroys itself with the inhabitants reduced to tribalism and poverty! Unfortunately, I don't see a knight returning with the grail to heal our land in the near future!


243 posted on 10/19/2006 11:58:34 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Save the Republic! Mess with the polling firms' heads!)
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