Tehran Fears U.S. Attack [USS Eisenhower, Enterprise]

ADKNI ^ | 10/11/06 | freedom44

[EGPWS]

Let the muzzies kill each other. They're good at that.

Not when they miss their mark by an ocean and topple a couple of buildings accidentally.

[thinkthenpost]

Not trying to hijack the thread here but:
Many folks keep making the claim that a Carrier Battle Group has more firepower than all of WWII combined. I've never called anyone on it because I don't really understand it, could you elaborate please in what manner, and compared to what? I mean short of nukes, which I can neither confirm or deny the presence of any nuclear weapons on any Naval platform I just don't get it.

[Phsstpok]

Baztab also said that "if the presence of US navy ships in the Persian Gulf turned into a real threat for the Islamic Republic then the region's oil pipeline would explode, as would mines in the Hormuz Strait (a key shipping route for oil) when oil tankers pass through so as to make the price of oil double or triple."

Ummmmm... so they're saying they've already mined the Hormuz Strait, an international waterway?  That's an act of war against the entire world.  If true that is a "casus belli" (effectively "cause of war," though not literally) and would fully justify a "jus ad bellum" (just war) by any other nation under international law.

I suggest that this Saturday our current president repeat a statement by our 40th president from his radio addresses, with appropriate modification:

"I'm happy to announce that I have just signed legislation outlawing the Islamic Republic of Iran.  The bombing begins in five minutes."

[ARE SOLE]

Captain Dale Dye, resident military analyst on Los Angeles' KFI 640 has been talking for weeks about what he calls an unprecedented naval build up in the waters around Iran. He says it is the largest concentration of Allied naval power since WWII. He suggests they are there to deal with Iran when the right time comes.

Regards.

[El Gato]

Huh? SSBNs or SSNs? And what good would that do?

SSGNs . One, two would be overkill, of the four Ohio class SSBNs modified to carry cruise missiles. Surface occasionally to be sure they see it.

Notice the provision for carriage of Special Operations forces, usually SEALs. Those should really worry Little Kim, and Ahmanutjob and the Angry Ayatollahs, should one appear in their waters as well.

[El Gato]

How is Iran having a nuke our problem?

Iran is one of the larger supporters of terrorists. Terrorists would love to plant one in a house or apartment on your block. You figure it out.

[mad_as_he$$]

Couldn't agree more. How we get there is the issue.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

The sight of a carrier on the horizon is a clear message to some tin-horn dictator that his time is ALMOST up.

Someone told me a horror story from the mid-1980s--apparently the National Security Council told the Navy to send a carrier within a few miles of the Lebanese coast to show Hezbullah who was boss.

The Hezzies were not impressed, and fired some artillery at the carrier, and actually managed to straddle it before the ship went to full speed ahead and got the hell out of there.

[El Gato]

A sub is too stealthy, you need high profile muscle-flexing like a carrier group or two.

But they can let themselves be seen if they wish. An Ohio class SSGN cruise missile/spec ops boats surfacing just outside your 12 mile limit will get your attention. Then when it's sure it's been spotted, it will slide below and disappear, possibly to appear again somewhere else. Or that may be the only time you see or hear it. Is it gone? You decide. :)

Of course it can be pretty "gone" and still hit you with those cruise missiles. :)

[Ole Okie]

According to Baztab, a website controlled by the Pasdaran, "the United States is gaining positions in the sea and countries close to Iran in case the Pentagon wants to launch an attack on the Islamic Republic."

Gee, that WOULD be prudent. It's known as getting the drop on your opponent.

[El Gato]

I was a pro-war hawk,

Funny then that's you've only been on FR since April 17th of this year

[Pukin Dog]

Many people are only familiar with half of that story. The OTHER half, is that the battleship that was part of that battlegroup opened up with her 16 inch guns and silenced the artilary in a minute or so. It was a bait and switch, which caused many Hezzies to get their asses blown up.

[Twinkie]

Wasn't it big boy Clinton who closed the Utah area that was the only clean burning coal resource in the U.S., thus making us dependent upon foreign sources (Indonesia, I think). . and then, of course, we have oil resources but for some reason Clinton stopped it on environmental excuses, and Washington in general seems hesitant to make it happen.

[bill1952]

How was Hitler or Tojo our problem?

- your pendulum has swung too far, my good man.

[El Gato]

So we're going to invade Iran too? Why?

Who said anything about invading? Hit the nuke facilities, hit the Revolutionary Guard (aka Pasdaran) facilities and kill lots of them. The Iranian people will likely take it from there.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Many people are only familiar with half of that story. The OTHER half, is that the battleship that was part of that battlegroup opened up with her 16 inch guns and silenced the artilary in a minute or so. It was a bait and switch, which caused many Hezzies to get their asses blown up.

Yeah, but the version I heard was that there was a fully-loaded air group on the flight deck--if the last shell had come down 200 yards closer to the beach, guess what the lead on the four news networks would've been that night?

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Why are we even concerned with the Middle East in the first place? Answer that question!

Oil.