Posted on 10/10/2006 5:08:28 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
That would be the same Chief Justice who would later rule the southern acts of secession to be unconstitutional? Now why do I have problems believing your version of the story?
the POTUS asked the Chief Justice for his opinion on trying President Davis.
the FACTS "do not favor your position" Mr. Minister!
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The FACTS show that in 1869 Chief Justice Chase said, "Considered as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention, and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union." How could he believe that and not believe secession was treason?
NOTHING!
care for a "do over", Mr Minister??? (#284 just makes you look UNinformned & SILLY.)
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What took away rights/powers from the original 13 states? Where is it in the Constitution that such powers can be taken away without a Constitutional amendment?
Oh, yeah. Abe.
No, but it does tend to show your claim that Chase thought secession was legal to be absolute nonsense.
Imagine. A statement of your's being false. Who would have thought it possible? </sarcasm>
No, the Constitution. Article IV, "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." If the remaining 37 had to abide by the Constitution then so did the original 13.
why not just ADMIT that you are WRONG on this issue AND that you just don't have a CLUE about it, rather than trying evasions/nonsense/"changing the subject" ???
NOBODY knows EVERYTHING, Mr Minister. not even you!
btw, have you noted how much more civil things have become on these WBTS threads since the WORST of "the DAMnyankee lunatics" were (i heard, PERMANENTLY!) banned???
i also heard that at least FOUR of the banned "members of the DY coven" are NOW active on DU. (fwiw, that's where they belonged. FR is for CONSERVATIVES!)
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NO state is bound to remain IN the union, if at some future date the membership in the union of states is not in the enlightened self-interest of that STATE(s) or of the PEOPLE of that STATE(s).
face it, N-S, secession was/IS lawful under the US Constitution. (FOUR PLUS YEARS of DAMNyankee invasion & countless ATROCITIES against helpless POWs & innocent, UNarmed civilians do NOT alter that simple TRUTH.)
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That is perhaps the worst logic I've ever heard. You ought to get some kind of recognition for that post. You've really topped even yourself.
Add the 14th state to the original 13. Its citizens get the same privileges and immunities of the citizens of the original 13 states, not the other way around. The other way around destroys the privileges and immunities of the citizens of the original 13. Do you seriously think that is what the Founders intended?
Scroll back about 9 messages - 9 short little messages - and we find this stand watie gibberish:
"actually, it was the chief justice who gave the opinion that since NO TREASON had been committed AND that there was NO prohibition of SECESSION within the Constitution and/or in the US Code, that President Davis would be found NOT GUILTY by a jury of his peers(this even given the fact that the invaders would have CONTROLLED the tribunal!)."
So yeah, stand, you did SAY that Chase thought SOMETHING about secession!!!
Not at all. You forget, I've read some of your posts.
Add the 14th state to the original 13. Its citizens get the same privileges and immunities of the citizens of the original 13 states, not the other way around.
If that is true then why didn't the 14th state become a state merely by ratifying the Constitution like the first 13 did? Why did they have to wait for the other states to vote to create it?
The other way around destroys the privileges and immunities of the citizens of the original 13. Do you seriously think that is what the Founders intended?
I think that the founders intended all states abide by the Constitution.
Actually, the 14th state (Vermont) did officially ratify the Constitution.
In Convention of the Delegates of the People of the State of Vermont.
Whereas, by an act of the commissioners of the state of New York, done at New York, the seventeenth day of October, in the fifteenth year of the independence of the United States of America, one thousand seven hundred and ninety, every impediment, as well on the part of the state of New York as on the part of the state of Vermont, to the admission of the state of Vermont into the Union of the United States of America, is removed; in full faith and assurance that the same will stand approved and ratified by Congress, —
This Convention, having impartially deliberated upon the Constitution of the United States of America, as now established, submitted to us by an act of the General Assembly of the state of Vermont, passed October the twenty-seventh, one thousand seven hundred and ninety, — Do, in virtue of the power and authority to us given for that purpose, fully and entirely approve of, assent to, and ratify, the said Constitution; and declare that, immediately from and after this state shall be admitted by the Congress into the Union, and to a full participation of the benefits of the government now enjoyed by the states in the Union, the same shall be binding on us, and the people of the state of Vermont, forever.
Done at Bennington, in the county of Bennington, the tenth day of January, in the fifteenth year of the independence of the United States of America, one thousand seven hundred and ninety-one.
In testimony whereof, we have hereunto subscribed our names.
THOMAS CHITTENDEN, President.
Signed by one hundred and five members — dissented four.
Note that they expected to receive the full benefits enjoyed by other states in the Union, not a reduced set of priviledges and immunities that you have alleged.
Once the Constitution was in place, of course, new states had to be admitted by Congress.
They expected presidents to abide by it too, but apparently somebody forgot to tell Lincoln.
SORRY, but once more you've been identified as "trying (desperately) to change the subject", when it is OBVIOUS to EVERYONE that you've LOST the argument & that every post you make makes you look SILLIER to all.
the fact is that you are NOT believed anymore by 90% of FReepers. they KNOW that you're just a PROPAGANDIST for the LEFTIST/REVISIONIST/LIBERAL northeastern elites.
i note that you didn't mention that the "unionist coven" is SHRINKING to NOTHINGNESS. pretty soon, you'll have to post to us "good 'ole rebs", as there will be NO DAMNyankee extremists to post TO!
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if ANY of our side was on DU, after being BANNED here, i'd be HUMILIATED.
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lincoln, the TYRANT, did precisely to suit himself. anyone with an ounce of brains knows that the TYRANT was just as AMORAL & POWER-HUNGRY as wee willie klintoon.
BOTH would do ANYTHING to get/keep more POLITICAL/personal POWER. ANYTHING!
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"A MOVE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION-Gov. Pettus of Mississippi has issued a proclamation calling on the state and county officers to collect all the arms rifles and shotguns new or old, in or out of order, and send them to Jackson, the capital of the state where they may be repaired and held in readiness for the use of the soldiers. He also notifies all citizens to arm themselves with double-barrel shotguns and hold themselves in readiness at an hour's notice. By these means the state will be in possession of a large quantity of good arms that might otherwise be useless. We hope the proper authorities will follow up the move of Gov. Pettus."
And boy did they ever follow up this move in the right direction in Bradley county, TN. Under the local Confederate estab;ishment, armed bands roamed the county confiscating guns from the the predominantly Union population, exempting the rebel minority.
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