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To: kiriath_jearim

"They are equally wrong. The Founding Fathers did not have the luxury of, or the desire for, a standing army, so a well-regulated militia was necessary for the security of our young country. This is clearly and obviously no longer true, which severely impacts the relevance of the Second Amendment and is never mentioned by the pro-gun right."

Uhhh, no. Seeing as Scott Harris likes to use quotes of founding fathers, I will provide in kind:

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." - Thomas Jefferson

"No free men shall be debarred the use of arms." - Thomas Jefferson

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -- Thomas Jefferson quotes Cesare Beccaria in Commonplace Book

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against the tyranny in government." - Thomas Jefferson

"The advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any...." -- James Madison in Federalist No. 48

"A government that does not trust it's law abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is itself unworthy of trust." - James Madison

Note that they all refer to citizens, not members of militia.


25 posted on 10/03/2006 6:22:35 AM PDT by looscnnn ("Olestra (Olean) applications causes memory leaks" PC Confusious)
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To: looscnnn

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington

This is exactly right. This sentiment clearly states that the father of our country believed that the people should be sufficiently armed and trained enough to keep themselves free from all abusers, even their own government. This means the people are meant to have access to, not only the same weaponry available to the government, but sufficient quantities of said weaponry to guarantee their independence.

Machine guns and explosive ordinance should be as acquirable as hand and long guns. Weaponry beyond that would most likely be too expensive, but there still should be no restriction on it either. It is already a crime to kill a person outside of self defense, so what difference does it make if the killing is done with a machine gun, grenade, or F/A-18? If everybody has the same weaponry, equality and deterrence are maintained. Assign the death penalty for murder and remove the appeals process.

How is it that the right to kill children in the womb can be "found" in the Constitution, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" cannot be located?


26 posted on 10/03/2006 8:02:50 AM PDT by Outership
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