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Gambling online faces collapse in US after Senate ban ($6 billion industry)
Times UK ^ | October 02, 2006 | Dominic Walsh

Posted on 10/01/2006 9:50:23 PM PDT by ellery

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To: Central Scrutiniser

Well, since they made some exemptions, I wonder if this is more about money than morals?


21 posted on 10/01/2006 11:10:57 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: ellery

Thank you Big Nanny...


22 posted on 10/01/2006 11:12:19 PM PDT by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: ellery

"We know far more about wasting money than you do! Do not question us!"-U.S. Congress


23 posted on 10/01/2006 11:14:01 PM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: ellery
“Gambling is a serious addiction that undermines the family, dashes dreams and frays the fabric of society,” Dr Frist said. “The bottom line is simple: internet gambling is illegal.

It must be taxed. If we can't tax it, then it must be illegal. We must have our cut of the profits."says Frist, as he jumps up-n-down.

24 posted on 10/02/2006 12:35:29 AM PDT by Sarajevo (AAAh! Baghdad-dust, heat, more heat and more dust. I wish I had a beer.)
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To: ellery
Gambling is a serious addiction that undermines the family, dashes dreams and frays the fabric of society

OK, using that logic, why not shut down Las Vegas and Atlantic City, every Indian casino, every race track, every bingo hall, every state lottery, etc., as well? This has nothing to do with protecting against the supposed evils of gambling. It is really a misguided attempt to protect the turf of the established American gambling industry. This effort will ultimately fail, as did prohibition. Sanctimonious fools like Frist and Kyl should be embracing internet gambling, and should concentrate on regulation rather than abolition.

25 posted on 10/02/2006 12:46:39 AM PDT by omniscient
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To: Sarajevo
How very true. If the government can't tax it kill it. Just like the old man in It's a wonderful life, if he could not own he would kill it. The government wants every dime it can get more dimes more power to pedal influence.

I doubt that any of our esteemed elected officials have ever placed a bet that could be considered outside of the law in their lives. /sarcasm off

26 posted on 10/02/2006 1:24:40 AM PDT by John 6.66=Mark of the Beast?
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To: ellery
I wonder what the laws are in regards to getting credit cards outside of the US for US citizens. I don't believe that there are any laws against using banks outside the borders, though I'm sure that there are plenty of money laundering laws to put limits on how much you can transfter. I suppose that if you really want to gamble over the Internet, you'll be able to find a way, pretty easily.

Something else that Congress recently did was place a cap on the interest that can be charged on short term loans for military personel. I belive they capped it at 36% APR, while most "payday loan" companies have APRs of nearly 400%. What this is going to do is practically outlaw using payday loans by anyone in the military... This may be a good thing, or it could be bad, depending on the circumstances. Remember, capping the interest rate at 36% APR means that one of these stores would make $1.50 on a $100, two week loan. Not exactly a way for a business to stay in business.

Mark

27 posted on 10/02/2006 1:24:47 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: oldbrowser
The protection rackets, Washington style.

Definition of gambling:

When the government runs it (i.e. the Lotery, or if they get enough of a cut, like with casinos), gambling is good for the chilrun...

When a private company runs it, it's a terrible thing, and needs to be outlawed (because the government isn't getting its cut)

Mark

28 posted on 10/02/2006 1:26:43 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: BlazingArizona
Time to get creative! This will bring about a "Son of PayPal" universal P2P money transfer protocol over the Net.

What about just getting an overseas bank credit card?

Mark

29 posted on 10/02/2006 1:28:00 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: ellery

I guess they couldn't find a way to tax it.


30 posted on 10/02/2006 1:28:34 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Hugin
If the US can outlaw an Internet site operating in another country, what's to stop other countries from arresting Americans who run sites in the US with content they don't like?

Yeah, like whitehouse.gov! lol

Mark

31 posted on 10/02/2006 1:29:13 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: omniscient
This has nothing to do with protecting against the supposed evils of gambling. It is really a misguided attempt to protect the turf of the established American gambling industry. This effort will ultimately fail, as did prohibition. Sanctimonious fools like Frist and Kyl should be embracing internet gambling, and should concentrate on regulation rather than abolition.

Exactly! The simple fact is that organized crime doesn't much care for competition, and it will use every weapon in its arsenal to defend its turf. And it doesn't matter if it's the US government or the mafia, they'll do what ever they can to eliminate the threat to their income.

Mark

32 posted on 10/02/2006 1:31:46 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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Statement of

John G. Malcolm
Deputy Assistant Attorney General

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/Malcolmtestimony42903.htm

Criminal Division
United States Department of Justice
Before the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security Committee on the Judiciary United States House of Representatives

http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/0801/ijge/gj07.htm

Organized Crime and Cybercrime:
Synergies, Trends, and Responses

From The Hill Newspaper:

[Anti-terrorism Bill Includes Internet Gambling Provisions After the Financial Services Committee of the United States House of Representatives heard testimony from the Federal Bureau of Investigation that Internet gambling is vulnerable to terrorist financing schemes, the committee has included an amendment to anti-terrorism legislation that would bar Internet gambling sites access to United States financial services systems via the use of credit cards, wire transfers, and other bank instruments. Committee Chairman Mike Oxley (R-Ohio) said that he would introduce the manager’s amendment to his portion of the legislation, which includes measures related to fighting terrorism not expressly recommended by the 9/11 Commission, such as Internet gambling, Washington, D.C., newspaper The Hill reports. Sunday October 3, 2004]


33 posted on 10/02/2006 3:48:11 AM PDT by khnyny (God Bless the Republic for which it stands)
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Sick. Now there using the terrorist excuse.

Time for me to change to another party.

Fed up with the nanny state Reps and Dems


34 posted on 10/02/2006 5:20:51 AM PDT by Iwentsouth
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To: ellery

Gee, I wonder if Frist can do a midnight dance to get conservative judges on the 6th circuit court of appeals, currently blocked by my two communist senators. Naw, that's not important.


35 posted on 10/02/2006 5:24:49 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Consider that nearly half the people you pass on the street meet Lenin's definition of useful idiot)
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To: Iwentsouth

I still don't understand FReepers' support of online gambling. If you want to throw your money away, go to a "legal" establishment that's regulated.

I've suspected that online gambling rackets are run by spam gangs and other kinds of gangs, including those who support crime including terrorism. I do not doubt the onlinegambling/terrorism connection one bit.


36 posted on 10/02/2006 5:32:36 AM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: Theo

Lets ban the Stock Market too. That is gambling just as much as poker is. Plus they make the stuff that supports terroism like backpacks.


37 posted on 10/02/2006 5:45:16 AM PDT by Iwentsouth
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The gambling indutry only has themselves to blame.

The didn't bribe the right Senators.

I think they did. The casino industry, that is.

38 posted on 10/02/2006 6:21:04 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Iwentsouth
Lets ban the Stock Market too. That is gambling just as much as poker is.

The stock market benefits from created wealth, poker doesn't. Poker is zero sum.

Casino gambling always gives a slight advantage to the house, so it's worse than zero sum.

39 posted on 10/02/2006 6:45:22 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Central Scrutiniser

Agreed.. but this sounds like it's more about protecting Vegas and the tribes.


40 posted on 10/02/2006 7:13:32 AM PDT by Almondjoy
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