Posted on 10/01/2006 8:45:29 PM PDT by churchillbuff
ARVADA - In a shocking new tack, Republican congressional candidate Rick ODonnell said Tuesday that the Bush administration has bungled the war in Iraq and the United States should change course there.
What were doing right now isnt working. Thats a failure of leadership from our president, from our secretary of defense and from our generals, ODonnell said during a debate with Democrat Ed Perlmutter. The two are vying to represent Colorados 7th Congressional District, one of the most closely watched races in the nation.
...The ODonnell-Perlmutter race is considered one of the most competitive elections in the country and is a key to Democrats hopes of picking up 15 seats to gain a majority in the House.
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If he did, conservative voters who support the troops and the liberation of Iraq will not vote for a Republican candidate who is repeating DemocRats talking points! Like I said, just because it is in print, doesn't mean he actually said it!
I for one am fed up with all the armchair critics undermining the war effort and suppressing ALL the great things that have and are continuing to happen in Iraq. War is tough, especially when you have to fight a politically correct war, and the ENEMEDIA and the left are undermining the war EVERY step of the way.
Has the paper printed a retraction? If O'Donnell didn't say this, and the paper made it up - or misquoted him horribly - then he surely has demanded a retraction by now. Has he? I don't see any retraction or correction by the paper. If you can find one, please post it.
By the way, I admire your passionate support of our troops. However, I think someone can criticize the strategies of the generals or civilian authorities without being opposed to the troops. It's not the troops who set strategy. They just follow orders. When the orders don't reflect sound strategy, civilians can criticize the order-givers without being "opposed" to the troops.
Of course you never supported it, you'd rather grovel to our enemies, but the only reason you posted this tripe is because he's now a quisling like you.
Based on the small quote that the paper provided, it sounds like O'Donnell might be arguing for a tougher policy in Iraq.
The way you were arguing to reinstate the draft?
I never argued to reinstate the draft. I warned that it might happen and I personally thought that it was coming. I admit, I was wrong.
Not true. I posted a lot of threads that indicated the draft might have to be brought back, given the demands of the Iraq enterprise (which I opposed). I DID ask, a number of times, why few if any of the kids of our political leaders are volunteering for service in Iraq. But asking that question isn't the same as calling for a draft.
I'm not trying to "back track" from my opposition to the invasion of Iraq. Like John Paul II, I opposed it before and when it happened. Like conservatives such as Wm F Buckley and George Will, (and like most of the American people, according to all polls) I oppose it now. I'm not back tracking a bit.
When Hillary was voting "Yes, Invade Iraq," I was saying, "No, it's unnecessary, a mistake and asking for trouble we don't need." Now, when Hillary is still supporting the invasion, I'm still not supporting it. I disagreed with Hillary (and you) then, and I disagree with Hillary (and you) now. I'm not backtracking a single step.
It started going to heck when Holtzman ran that nasty primary campaign against Beauprez and nothing seems to have gone right since with the pubbies.
As for JPII having been opposed to the war, that means absolutely nothing whatsoever with the issue. JPII was the leader of a single religious denomination with an opinion; nothing more. He was not an elected leader of this nation, he wasn't even a citizen of this nation and he never once spoke for this nation.
Aligning yourself with Buckley and Will is probably a lot closer; Buckley is senile and Will has always been a weak kneed little twit.
He's pretty unimpressive, a pretty-faced policy wonk on his first campaign.
Do you live in O'Donnell's district? His opponent sounds like a liberal Dem. The wrong kind of person for a conservative state to be sending to Congress.
John Paul II was vocal and persistent in opposing the Iraq invasion. If you don't know that, do some googling - John Paul II and Iraq. He got a lot of grief from neocons. They even sent over a delgation of Catholic neocons to try to persuade him to back a US invasion of Iraq. JP II wouldn't budge. Turns out he was right.
Pssssssst, I didn't say JPII wasn't opposed to the war. I said:
1) It made absolutely no difference that he was opposed to the war. He was the foreign leader of a religious denomination. He was not an American, he was not an elected U.S. official and he did not have any authority to determine what is in our best interests.
2) Your attempt to hide behind JPII is as ludicrous as your hiding behind Churchill...they were men of character. By your attempts to "use" them it demonstrates that you are not a person of character.
No, I'm standing beside him. His opposition to the Iraq war helped confirm my opposition to it. When you call me a quisling, you're calling him a quisling (even though you apparently don't have the guts to challenge him directly -- you want to change the subject and target me for holding the same views as JP II.) I agreed then, and agree now, with the position he so courageously and consistently put forth.
You really need to do the math. When it comes to this administration the only opposition JPII appeared to have was his "opinion" regarding our going into Iraq. That's only one for one in your alignment matrix. While granted, one for one is far better then your Churchill score, it really doesn't mean much.
On the flip side, when you examine your history around here with the likes of Michael Moore, WOW, you're really getting your batting average up there.
I know, trying to wrap yourself behind the image of JPII might seem like a good idea, it doesn't fly. Try Michael Moore...it's a far better match.
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