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To: osideplanner
You seem to be misinterpreting my statements. My point was that we need LEOs who act professionally and with discipline. The behavior of the LEOs needs to be evaluated according to applicable law enforcement policies that govern the use of deadly force. If the investigation reveals problems in the handling of this incident, then corrective actions should be taken.

If you were to catalog all police shootings in the United States over, say, the last ten or twenty years (you probably wouldn't want to look back earlier, because to keep it to an apples-to-apples comparison you would not want to mix the more recent widespread use of semi-automatic weapons by LEOs with the prevailing use of revolvers by LEOs in earlier times), and plot histograms of the total number of rounds fired and rounds that hit the perp(s) in a single incident, the reported 110 shots fired (by LEOs) and 68 hits would almost certainly be a far "outlier" (in the statistical sense) that would and should warrant extra scrutiny.

The count in this incident may be less than, for example, the count of rounds fired in the Miami FBI shootout (look it up on Google if you don't remember it) or the North Hollywood shootout, however in those cases I believe that there were multiple perps whereas this was a case of a single perp. So, yes, this large number of rounds fired and large number of hits should raise some eyebrows. Your attempt to restate my "logic" is far off base.

111 posted on 10/01/2006 10:51:30 AM PDT by Zeppo
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To: Zeppo
The "problem" you're referring to was "caused" by the number of police at the scene and the actions of the suspect. If there were 10 police, he would have been shot much fewer times.

I asked you, what your policy would be to prevent this "problem" from ocurring?

113 posted on 10/01/2006 10:54:13 AM PDT by osideplanner
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To: Zeppo
f you were to catalog all police shootings in the United States over, say, the last ten or twenty years (you probably wouldn't want to look back earlier, because to keep it to an apples-to-apples comparison you would not want to mix the more recent widespread use of semi-automatic weapons by LEOs with the prevailing use of revolvers by LEOs in earlier times), and plot histograms of the total number of rounds fired and rounds that hit the perp(s) in a single incident, the reported 110 shots fired (by LEOs) and 68 hits would almost certainly be a far "outlier" (in the statistical sense) that would and should warrant extra scrutiny.

...before you start trying to do real extensive calculations... well... you better take into account "distance" on this one... they were about to step on him.. 3 feet or 4.... I'll admit to a little "looseness" on my rapid fire....but I'm pretty sure I'll pop at least 60-70% of them at that distance..

152 posted on 10/01/2006 12:08:46 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Zeppo
incident, the reported 110 shots fired (by LEOs) and 68 hits would almost certainly be a far "outlier" (in the statistical sense) that would and should warrant extra scrutiny.

If they were using full auto weapons the nine officers could have easily fired 110 rounds in one, one second burst of fire. Hardly a misuse of force.

168 posted on 10/01/2006 1:35:21 PM PDT by Ajnin (I)
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