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Children handcuffed in police drug raid (and SOP of shooting the family dog)
Albany Times Union ^

Posted on 09/28/2006 5:26:29 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

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To: spunkets
So now you're saying it went "nice doggy --> police start shooting --> vicious pit bull".
41 posted on 09/28/2006 6:22:37 PM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: verum ago
all in all I'm inclined to go with the cops on this one

This was a misdemeanor pot bust of an 18 year old.
This required a swat team and gunplay in an apartment with children present?
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42 posted on 09/28/2006 6:22:40 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: spunkets
ROTFLMAO! The woman's lying.

Having a hard time with collateral damage, are we?

43 posted on 09/28/2006 6:23:23 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: sgtbono2002

What dollar amount of illegal drugs should be the cut-off point for raid or no raid?


44 posted on 09/28/2006 6:24:00 PM PDT by abovethefray
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To: DougSc
Don't sell drugs!!!

Don't take drugs. Allow others to face God as they choose.

45 posted on 09/28/2006 6:25:48 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Sir Gawain

I had a large yellow lab years ago. He tore up a trespasser running around my backyard. Dogs don't know cop from crook.


46 posted on 09/28/2006 6:26:54 PM PDT by BLS (It's time to redefine your deiphobic mind.)
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To: Sir Gawain
Let me be the first to point out that none of this would have happened if the government didn't think it's WORTH it to break into a person's home, destroy their property, pepper spray and handcuff their pre-teen children, shoot their pets and put people in prison to keep them from smoking one lousy marijuana cigarette.

Let the flaming from the anti-pot Gestapo (literally, in this case) begin!
47 posted on 09/28/2006 6:27:20 PM PDT by spinestein (I'm spending this year clinically brain dead......for tax reasons.)
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To: ThanhPhero

Respectfully Thanh, I just don't think the dog's been exposed to strangers in the house, causing a ruckus where your daughter was in a loud confrontation with them.


48 posted on 09/28/2006 6:27:48 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: LibKill

So a cop is on a raid and a dog comes at him, You want him to either avoid the dog or wait until it attacks. Mean time the bad guys are arming themselves to resist. Yep let's put the good guys at MORE of a disadvantage and put their LIVES MORE at risk to protect a dog. Makes perfect sense to me. (/sarc)


49 posted on 09/28/2006 6:28:01 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: abovethefray
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion,tho.

But not their own facts.

L

50 posted on 09/28/2006 6:28:28 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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To: Lurker
My buddies Pit is the biggest wuss dog on the planet.

He's a wuss until he isn't...there's not a pit bull killingin history where the owners didn't say...HE WAS SUCH A SWEET DOG...Pit Bulls should be outlawed. PERIOD.

51 posted on 09/28/2006 6:28:34 PM PDT by Hildy (Canada is like a loft apartment over a really great party house)
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To: spunkets

Pitbull terriers are typically very mellow dogs with respect to people. I do not know how they react to a home invasion - most dog breeds with which I have had experience would not be passive in such a situation, but some breeds are not the threat that people think. What really sets off a pitbull is another dog - another dog in their territory or challenging their space turns on a switch in the pitbull - they are/were bred for fighting other dogs, they were not bred as watchdogs (though their musculature certainly makes them appear intimidating).

That being said, it is SOP for the cops to kill the dog not because of the threat or potential thereof to the police. The reason they kill the dog is to get maximum shock affect on the family whose home they are invading.

No knock raids are an abomination to our Constitutional freedoms. The perpetuators of this type of no-knock violence (all in the name of law and order) are themselves as thuggish as the criminals whom against they act - different sides of the same coin.

Instead of no-knock raids - the tool of tyrannical regimes throughout history - why do we not insist on less violent solutions to our social problems?

The para-militarization of law enforcement in this country means we can expect a greater frequency of these types of incidents and an increase in their lethality. The rationality and acceptance of excessive force by law enforcement is dispicable. $60 worth of mj - wow! People in that area should sleep a whole lot better tonight knowing the police are on top of this sort of crime. Accomodations and medals should be issued....


52 posted on 09/28/2006 6:28:49 PM PDT by citizenK (petit tyranny is still tyranny)
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To: Lurker

Facts are just that. We have none in this instance. Seems like a lot of jumping to conclusions is all.


53 posted on 09/28/2006 6:30:20 PM PDT by abovethefray
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To: Sir Gawain

Well if the cops had the previous sales in the apt then why did they not bust the punk then instead of the JBT raid?


54 posted on 09/28/2006 6:30:35 PM PDT by dontpethesweatythings (Is the '06 election season over yet???)
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To: abovethefray
What dollar amount of illegal drugs should be the cut-off point for raid or no raid?

I'm pretty sure we should just all surrender and expect a SWAT team any moment.

They're moving toward armed raids to inspect the food in our refrigerators and cupboards for "illegal" trans-fatty acid content.

55 posted on 09/28/2006 6:30:50 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: Hildy
...Pit Bulls should be outlawed. PERIOD

Hysterical broads should be outlawed.

L

56 posted on 09/28/2006 6:30:51 PM PDT by Lurker (islam is not a religion. It's the new face of Fascism in our time. We ignore it at our peril.)
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To: Sir Gawain

Aw, the poor drug dealer.


57 posted on 09/28/2006 6:31:50 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: dontpethesweatythings

Because an undercover cop (most likely alone) does not do that.


58 posted on 09/28/2006 6:33:41 PM PDT by Hazcat (Live to party, work to afford it.)
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To: Redcloak
"So now you're saying it went "nice doggy --> police start shooting --> vicious pit bull"."

No, not at all. The dog got vicious and posed a danger in the beginning. It simply sounds like the first shot was effective in causing the dog to retreat, if that's what happened.

59 posted on 09/28/2006 6:34:08 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spinestein
none of this would have happened if the government didn't think it's WORTH it to break into a person's home, destroy their property, pepper spray and handcuff their pre-teen children, shoot their pets and put people in prison to keep them from smoking one lousy marijuana cigarette.

And some of the people who agree that it's worth it think they're "conservatives." Nauseating.

60 posted on 09/28/2006 6:35:06 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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