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Children handcuffed in police drug raid (and SOP of shooting the family dog)
Albany Times Union ^

Posted on 09/28/2006 5:26:29 PM PDT by Sir Gawain

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To: phoenix0468

I see I have a twin.

LOL!


In all series, though, I added some communication (read that as substance) and subtracted some sarcasm (or as you said, "crap") for my last post (#398) to you. Hope it reads better, though it is a little long.


401 posted on 09/29/2006 10:30:01 PM PDT by spinestein (Please do not make illegal copies of this tag line.)
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To: mugs99

"It sure did put the nanny staters in their place!"

I would like to think so. And their silence is deafening.


402 posted on 09/29/2006 10:39:35 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: elkfersupper

Tomorrow's Headline: "Cops bust down door, $60 in handgun ammo found."


403 posted on 09/29/2006 10:40:46 PM PDT by budwiesest (Time to end the war on hippie lettuce.)
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To: takenoprisoner; phoenix0468; Redcloak

I've heard the term "moonbat" used often over the past few years and never knew what it meant. I just had to look it up.


THIS IS FROM WIKIPEDIA:

Moonbat is a term often used as a political epithet. Some Iraq War supporters use it to insult opponents like Noam Chomsky and Pat Buchanan. According to an article by New York Times language maven William Safire, the term was first used by the famous science fiction author Robert A. Heinlein in 1947. [1]

Moonbat is a political epithet coined in 2002 by Perry de Havilland of Samizdata.net a libertarian weblog. It was originally a play on the last name of George Monbiot, a columnist for The Guardian. Although the term enjoys great currency in the libertarian and conservative blogosphere as an all-purpose insult for modern liberals, peace protestors, and other ideological opponents, that was not the original intention as it was just as often used to describe the more extreme elements of libertarian or paleo-conservative thought.

People write of the "moonbat" in a range of uses. For example, the earliest use listed in Google Groups is a user's screen name on an Ultima Online newsgroup post from 1998.[1]. Recently, open source advocate Eric Raymond used the term in an interview in The New Yorker to describe eccentric Wikipedia contributors.[2] The term has come into wider use in politics, sometimes as "moonbat crazy"; Boston commentator Howie Carr uses the term regularly.[3] In September, 2006, Carr ran a number of "How do you spot a moonbat?" segments on his daily radio show, and defined the term to mean "A left-wing nut who probably suffers from Bush Derangement Syndrome."

Libertarian Perry de Havilland of Samizdata says a moonbat is "someone on the extreme edge of whatever their -ism happens to be". Adriana Cronin-Lukas defines the term as "someone who sacrifices sanity for the sake of consistency". De Havilland says it was not originally a play on the last name of George Monbiot, a columnist for The Guardian, although he and Monbiot have appeared on the BBC together expressing politically opposed views. [citation needed]

The term was originally rendered as "Barking Moonbat", suggesting that certain issues seem to trigger a reflexive response from some people much like wolves howl at the moon.[citation needed] It evokes the traditional association between the moon and insanity. While this term was originally coined to attack commentators on the Right, it was also used to afront Leftists.[citations needed].

Some bloggers claim "moonbat" is neither a general epithet for U.S. War on Terror critics, nor even a purely U.S.- oriented term. They say they use it only against those who construct elaborate conspiracy theories concerning American foreign policy.[citation needed] For example, someone who claims that George W. Bush caused the 9/11 attacks would fit this category. "Idiotarian" fits a similar context.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbat


I'm a lot of things and some of them not good, but I'm not a moonbat.

</:^D


404 posted on 09/29/2006 10:41:46 PM PDT by spinestein (Please do not make illegal copies of this tag line.)
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To: spinestein; phoenix0468

Well, we shall see how phoenix responds to your series post. I found it well thought out as well as thought provoking.


405 posted on 09/29/2006 10:50:56 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Sir Gawain

Well, I certainly feel safer now.


406 posted on 09/29/2006 10:58:34 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: takenoprisoner
My first thought of redcloak was that he/she was a raving manical lunatic. That is because he/she was that good in their prose

MWUUHAAAAHAAAAHAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Um... I mean thank you.

(It's "he", by the way.)

I was just trying to take the statist argument to its loony conclusion: Kill the children to save them. Or as Rush puts it, illustrating absurdity by being absurd.

Like you, I'm shocked by some of what I read here. I always thought that a true conservative would never approve of a finger wagging nanny state. We've all seen this nation's various flirtations with such well intended meddling. The end result is always more government, less freedom, and the original problem left unsolved. (But with the nanny demanding more and more resources anyway.)

The Jihad on Drugs is no exception. Taxes are taken from us, our freedoms are curtailed, and our lives endangered; but, we receive no benefit. Narcotics are still available and we are still exposed to whatever hazards they bear on their own. Only now, with this jihad, we get still more risk thrown in with no return on our investment. We get a bigger government, a bigger boot on our necks, and more empty promises of how it will finally work this time. That isn't my definition of conservatism.

407 posted on 09/29/2006 11:08:10 PM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: mugs99
I think he did a great shock and awe!

Thanks! That makes my day!

408 posted on 09/29/2006 11:17:28 PM PDT by Redcloak (Speak softly and wear a loud shirt.)
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To: Redcloak

well said my friend...dittos


409 posted on 09/29/2006 11:17:39 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: Redcloak

PS

Your sincere post deserves more than dittos but it is late here for the ole man. My glass is near empty and the ice has melted. I'll catch you on the rebound.

goodnite all


410 posted on 09/29/2006 11:33:45 PM PDT by takenoprisoner
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To: spunkets; Bogtrotter52; ThanhPhero; Hildy; citizenK; Lurker; Petronski; muawiyah; phoenix0468; ...
heres athread some of you will be interested in and some of you will hate :-)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1711082/posts

411 posted on 09/30/2006 3:56:04 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: phoenix0468
Let's agree to disagree and build the bridge here, how's that?
412 posted on 09/30/2006 4:14:19 AM PDT by Dosa26
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To: pandoraou812
Injuring or killing a Police Dog is a 3rd Degree Felony punishable by imprisonment of up to 5 years in prison.

If that's the case, it is ridiculous. Even if I have committed something (anything), I have the right for a trial and conviction, before I must expose myself to punishment of any kind. From a human police officer I can reasonably expect that he is not going to injure/harm me, before I am convicted of something. From an animal, let that be even a trained dog, I can't expect the same thing. It would be (should be) reasonable self-defense, if the dog attacks me.

I know in my state (NJ) if you injure a police dog you are in big trouble. My husband once was arrested before I met him and was charged for feeding a police dog bologna.

Ridiculous as it may be, at least there there is no "reasonable self-defense", if it is against the law, it is against the law. Silly, but it is against the law.

This is part of the new trend of trying to provide "rights" to animals.

Gabor
413 posted on 09/30/2006 5:04:07 AM PDT by Casio
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To: VRing
"If a police dog attacks me, am I suppose to let the animal bite me, and potentially cause grave harm?" Come on man, where have you been for the last 20 years? It is absolutely true. There are many, many cases where this very thing has happened over the years. Remember, if you are seized by a K9 officer it is no different than if you had been grabbed by a human officer. Fighting back will just get you more charges.

Did anyone take this to the Supreme Court yet?
Much as I like animals and dogs, this is ridiculous. What the heck is a "K9 officer"? If I ask him for identification, can he provide one?

Gabor
414 posted on 09/30/2006 5:07:41 AM PDT by Casio
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To: spinestein

Thank you for confirming MY proposition.


415 posted on 09/30/2006 5:45:45 AM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: mugs99

I agree that prohibition has created the black market, but it doesn't cause kids to use drugs. We'll agree to disagree.
Thanks.


416 posted on 09/30/2006 6:48:47 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: phoenix0468; William Terrell
Experiencing life shouldn't include the illegal use of drugs, alchohol, or any other substance that will alter your personality.

Why not?

Why Not? Are you serious?

Based on his previous posts, I'm sure he is serious ... and I also would like to see your answer to his question. (I'd also like to know if you think the legal use of alcohol is OK, and if so why legality is relevant to what experiencing life should or shouldn't include.)

417 posted on 09/30/2006 8:04:36 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: phoenix0468
Why Not? Are you serious?

Ok, you explain to me why experiencing life shouldn't include the illegal use of drugs, alcohol, or any other substance that will alter your personality. Please note that most drugs don't alter your personality. You alter your personality, and, if someone chooses a drug to do it, what is it to you?

Also, explain what "illegal use" means. Does making something illegal by man's law make the object bad? If it is bad on its own, please explain why.

Then, please explain why a human being should be prohibited by law from eating, taking, drinking or smoking anything he judges to be worthy.

418 posted on 09/30/2006 8:05:03 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: spunkets
Yeah, the universities are full of math and science students that smoke pot while they study and before they take tests.

So when you posted "those who smoke it can't read, remember things, think very well and their overall motivation drops," you meant only "while they are under the influence"? So what? The same is true of the legal drug alcohol.

419 posted on 09/30/2006 8:08:51 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Sir Gawain
...but officers said they stormed the home for a good reason: One of her sons was selling marijuana there.

Seems to me they could have waited for him to leave the house and then arrest him. But hey, it gives the cops something to do instead of trying to catch terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc.

420 posted on 09/30/2006 8:10:45 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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