Posted on 09/25/2006 10:46:11 AM PDT by kiriath_jearim
September 24, 2006: Earlier this year, the U.S. Department of Defense began a search for a new .45 caliber combat pistol. Now that search has been mysteriously called off. The Department of Defense has announced, without any explanation, that is no longer looking for a new combat pistol.
Last January, after two decades of use, the U.S. Department of Defense appeared to be getting rid of its Beretta M9 9mm pistol, and going back to the 11.4mm (.45 caliber) weapon. There have been constant complaints about the lesser (compared to the .45) hitting power of the 9mm, as well as reliability problems with the Beretta. And in the last few years, SOCOM (Special Operations Command) and the marines have officially adopted .45 caliber pistols as "official alternatives" to the M9 Beretta.
Back in January, SOCOM was given the task of finding a design that will be suitable as the JCP (Joint Combat Pistol). Various designs were to be evaluated, but all had to be .45 caliber and have a eight round magazine (at least), and high capacity mags holding up to 15. The new .45 was also to have a rail up top for attachments, and be able to take a silencer. Length was to be no more than 9.65 inches, and width no more than 1.53 inches.
The M1911 .45 caliber pistol that the 9mm Beretta replaced in 1985, was, as its nomenclature implied, an old design. There are several modern designs out there for .45 caliber pistols that are lighter, carry more ammo and are easier to maintain than the pre-World War I M1911 (which is actually about a century old, as a design). The Department of Defense planned to buy 645,000 JCPs. But now, the troops are being told to keep their 9mm Berettas, and all the complaints they have about those weapons.
Saw a 44. revolver in the Orvis store a couple of weeks ago. Wow. That is one BIG handgun! Daggum barrel was nearly as long as my leg!
Kah-Boom!!!
Well, that's a little different.
True. I'm talking about the originally FBI tested loads"
10mm Made by= Norma Type Proj.=JHP Weight=170 Firearm= Delta (5") FPS=1358 Energy=696fp
What a piece of ****!
ping?
James Bond carried a Walther PPK, which fires the .380 Auto.
I thought the only reason they went with 9mm to begin with was because it was the standard NATO sidearm and would've eased logistics for combined operations against the ruskies.
I carry a .380 PPK most of the time, but I understand why the caliber isn't great for primary defense. I carry it because it's been reliable, I'm accurate with it, and it's easily concealable...If I ever need to use it I'm confident that I'll hit what I'm aiming at. That said, if I had my druthers (and the money) I'd have a nice compact .40 for concealed carry.
Actually, "M" chewed out Bond and commanded that he turn in his Beretta for the PPK in the begining of "Dr. No." Bond even tried to walk out of "M"'s office with both pistols after the meeting. "M" ordered Bond to leave the Beretta on his desk before he left.
I thought the only reason they went with 9mm to begin with was because it was the standard NATO sidearm and would've eased logistics for combined operations against the ruskies.
67 posted on 09/25/2006 12:59:35 PM MDT by GodfearingTexan
The Russians use a 9mm Makarov which is a different caliber than 9 mm parabellum
"I was criticizing the use of a .380 as a primary defense gun caliber."
Rightfully so.
LLS
I figured those were the ones you were talking about, quite a few people don't actually know though.
The 10mm is as versatile a round as the .357/.38 is. The .40S&W cannot compare in any "real world" sense.
14 rounds of .45 ACP in a fairly compact package, and American made ... I haven't shot one yet, but there are favorable reviews all over the Web.
9X18 (Makarov) vs 9X19(Parabellum) is not THAT different. I'm not sure I'd want to try and use the ammunition interchangeably though.
I'll stick with my old standby. .45 Colt revolver.
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"I thought is was a Walther PPK 9mm kurz (.380). "
I believe you are correct.
9X18 (Makarov) vs 9X19(Parabellum) is not THAT different. I'm not sure I'd want to try and use the ammunition interchangeably though.
I'll stick with my old standby. .45 Colt revolver.
76 posted on 09/25/2006 1:35:03 PM MDT by Centurion2000
A 9mm parabellum will fire in a Makarov(.365). A Makarov round will not fire in a 9mm parabellum(.355)
Been looking into a two-tone version for my wife.
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