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Army considers more combat units for Iraq
The Washington Times ^

Posted on 09/25/2006 5:23:22 AM PDT by MPforeignER

Army considers more combat units for Iraq By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES September 25, 2006

The Army is studying whether to add more combat units to the rotation plan for Iraq and is considering accelerating the deployments for some brigades to meet a top commander's decision to keep more than 140,000 troops in the country through at least the spring of 2007, Pentagon officials say. Rather than planning for a big drawdown of 30,000 Army soldiers and Marines this year to a level of 100,000, as field commanders had expected, the two services are now trying to figure out how to keep the equivalent of two extra divisions, or 40,000 troops, in Iraq. Army Gen. John Abizaid, the top commander in the region, said last week he needed to maintain the higher-than-expected level because of increased sectarian violence in greater Baghdad between warring Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims.

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It's high time. Would be a very positive decision, imo. The more troops, the better. And they must be provided with all the means they need to crush those rats. The problem is that politicians are worried about money and their political capital, but soldiers lives are and should be more precious. If there were more troops, there would be more progress, at least in Baghdad, as generals say, and fewer war casualties...
1 posted on 09/25/2006 5:23:22 AM PDT by MPforeignER
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To: MPforeignER

I agree with the president. This is a decision for the ground commanders to make.

We don't need civilians to be running a war from comfortable seats in Washington, D.C.

If they want more or they want less, let it be keyed to the on-the-ground situation and not on the political climate in an election cycle.

I do think the plan we have is the correct one. Train Iraqi troops to a high standard, find geographic areas of unrest, enter with US & Iraqi troops, cordon off the area, defeat the terrorists and gain control, depart for the next location while leaving Iraqis in control of the area just cleared. After a while, the entire country will be under control and the US troops can consider permanent departure.


3 posted on 09/25/2006 5:31:11 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: MPforeignER

I know that many people are preaching that we are stretched too thin and I am inclined to think so, too. However, I don't have an answer. I am all for increasing strength in the region but one must remember we are working with a 10 active division regular army and making up a lot of the strength in Iraq with reserve and National Guard units. I would love to see our Army expand to 12 or 14 active regular divisions but I don't know how this can be accomplished without a draft or recalling personnel who have completed commitments years ago. Yes, there are Marines in that proposed expansion, too, but the Army has always been traditionally the largest component of our military force.


4 posted on 09/25/2006 5:43:07 AM PDT by bws53
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During the Reagan admin, the US Army had 16 combat divisions filled by volunteers. USMC provided another 3 divisions. If we plan to pre empt the enemy in various places overseas, we better have a large military to do it with.


5 posted on 09/25/2006 6:48:10 AM PDT by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: MPforeignER
I agree 100% we need more troops there and also we need to more heat and do more bombings
6 posted on 09/25/2006 6:51:55 AM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (Newt/ Rick Santorum 08!)
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To: bws53
I don't know how this can be accomplished without a draft or recalling personnel who have completed commitments years ago.

No draft is needed (or wanted.)
The way to accomplish it is for Congress to fully fund the additional Divisions (equipment and solders.)

Congress, however, would rather whine then do their duty and fix the problem.

7 posted on 09/25/2006 7:08:44 AM PDT by ASA Vet (The war should have been over at 8:45 AM 9/12/01.)
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To: Fee
During the Reagan admin, the US Army had 16 combat divisions filled by volunteers

From my trusty World Almanac and Book of Facts, the US Army strength was 776,244 in 1985. Now we are around 460,000. Less personnel means less divisions.

That being said, I believe now that 1 soldier in 2006 is probably the equivalent of maybe 1.25 in 1985 and 2.0 in 1965 because of high-tech advancements but sometimes all the technology in the world cannot make up for a shortfall of manpower. When men burn out, they burn out.

8 posted on 09/25/2006 7:56:28 AM PDT by bws53
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To: bws53

Part of the downsizing of the Army after the first Gulf War, many of the log and support units were transfered into the US Army Reserves. Currently we have about 10 combat divisions. Several divisions are short one combat brigade which comes from the National Guard.


9 posted on 09/25/2006 8:15:52 AM PDT by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: Fee
Several divisions are short one combat brigade which comes from the National Guard.

That would be the 7th and 24th infantry divisions. So, that's 12 if you count the integrated divisions.

10 posted on 09/25/2006 9:15:56 AM PDT by bws53
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To: MPforeignER

We should put a half-mill over there if we're serious about winning this thing.


11 posted on 09/25/2006 9:22:09 AM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: ASA Vet
You're right...no draft is needed.

If the commanders on the ground say they need more troops, then let's send them over there.

In the interim, loosen the rules of engagement when taking on the bad guys. I've been concerned from day one that politics have played too large a role in the conduct of combat operations.

Is that concern misplaced?

12 posted on 09/25/2006 10:16:17 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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What needs to be done is a loosening of the rules on the tarring and feathering of politicians.
13 posted on 09/25/2006 10:42:13 AM PDT by ASA Vet (The war should have been over at 8:45 AM 9/12/01.)
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To: ASA Vet

Hear! Hear!


14 posted on 09/25/2006 10:52:58 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Closing in on 3000 posts, of which maybe 50 were worthwhile!)
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To: Night Hides Not

No, you're concerns are completely right. My fiancee is over there and he's told me some of the stupid tip-toeing around the Iraqi sensitivities that gets our men killed and makes everything easier for the bad guys.
Washington D.C. needs to understand that we're fighting a war, not having a tea party. It would make life for our men over there much, much easier.


15 posted on 09/25/2006 11:47:15 AM PDT by The Unnamed Chick (Post not preiewed before posting... I like living on the wild side)
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