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Northern sea baffles archaeologists Pravda ^ | 03/11/2004 12:50 | Grigory Donskov
Posted on 03/24/2004 5:37:29 PM PST by vannrox
Approximately 10 000 years ago the entire bottom of the Northern sea had been a blossoming valley, inhabited by ancestors of modern-day Europeans. Scientists from the Birmingham University were able to reach such conclusion after reconstructing local landscape by means of computers. Archaeologists analyzed data of earth's crust's fluctuations and using a specially designed program managed to come up with a 3D image of the area. The region connects today's British Isles with continental Europe.
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related topic (I’m building an omnibus post right now):
Scientists unravel 8,200-year-old climate riddle
University of Southampton | April 23, 2005 | PhysOrg
Posted on 03/02/2006 12:54:12 PM EST by SunkenCiv
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thanks for that link FN. :’)
Northern sea baffles archaeologists
Pravda | 03/11/2004 12:50 | Grigory Donskov
Posted on 03/24/2004 8:37:29 PM EST by vannrox
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The major differences in the British Isles are mainly to the various 'waves' of the same people arriving there from the same Franco-Iberian Ice Age refuge. There are very subtle differences detectable in the DNA of each wave...I believe he said 18 waves. It is only when the DNA from the other Ice Age refuges (R1a's and I's - Ukraine & Baltic ) begin arriving along the eastern areas that another DNA influence is detected. He says that 85% of the British DNA today is ancient and arrived very early.
90% of the Irish are R1b's as are 70% of all other Europeans.
Bryan Sykes says that the Thames and the Rhine were once the same river.
A glacial dam broke 14,000 years ago in the Chuja River valley, releasing as much as 200 cubic miles of water in a burst that produced patterns similar to those found in the channelled scablands of the NW US. The remote location (Altai Mts of southern Siberia) behind what had until recently been behind the Iron Curtain kept this obscure. As of the time this article was written, there were those who didn't accept this, which figures. The scientists cited are Alexey Rudoy, Victor Baker, and Gerardo Benito, the first from Tomsk State Pedagogical Institute in Siberia, the others from the University of Arizona.A Giant Siberian Lake During The Last Glacial:Of key interest are studies of the 5-6m thick Urtamsk lacustrine deposits which cover several different terraces at different altitudinal levels in the Yenisei valley. These clays, silts and fine sands are also to be found at altitudes of 80-150 m or higher, in several parts of the Ob valley. Numerous radiocarbon dates from sites in both river valleys have attested that the age of the Urtamsk deposits is between 22,000 and 12,300 BP (Arkhipov et al 1973). This suggests that in fact the whole of the area delimited by these terraces has been covered by a lake during the last glacial phase.
Evidence And Implications
by E.U. Lioubimtseva, S.P. Gorshkov, and J.M. Adams
The potential implications of the existence of a giant Siberian lake are manifold. As a modifier of the Northern Hemisphere climate system, it might have been significant. In addition to the localised effects described above, its effects on albedo might have contributed to the global climate of the Last Glacial. Presumably being completely frozen over in winter (all the indications from the molluscan and diatom fauna and flora are of boreal freshwater conditions; freshwater of course freezes somewhat more readily than brine), it would have acted as a major winter heat sink for the Northern Hemisphere, comparable perhaps with a large ice sheet in terms of its albedo effects. In summer, if all or some of the surface ice melted, the lake would possibly act as a major solar heat absorber by virtue of its lower albedo. There is clearly a need for GCM experiments to consider the effects of this lake on the LGM climate. Indeed, inclusion of this realistic feature of the ice-age world may help to clear up some of the disagreements between observed and predicted LGM climates.
Furthermore, the lake must at some stage have begun to drain northwards as the ice dam receded and as the northward-draining rivers regained their present drainage pattern. Whether this occurred suddenly (in catastrophic drainage events comparable to or exceding the Lake Agassiz events in North America: (e.g. Broecker et al 1989) or gradually is not clear. However, the existence of several lower terraces may suggest that it was concentrated in stages separated by longer periods of stable lake level. The exit of the lake's freshwater northwards into the Arctic Sea could potentially have had effects on sea ice formation.Back to siberia: the biggest flood?14,000 BP. Deep in the Altai Mountains of southern Siberia. About this date, a wall of water 1,500 feet high surged down the Chuja River valley at 90 miles per hour. How does one deduce such a hydrological cataclysm? A. Rudoy, a geologist at Tomsky State Pedagogical Institute, points to giant gravel bars along the Chuja River valley. These are not the inch-sized ripples we seen on the floors of today's rivers; these are giants measuring tens of yards from crest to crest. Only a catastrophic flood could have piled up these ridges of debris. Rudoy postulates that, during the Ice Ages, a huge ice dam upstream held back a lake 3,000 feet deep, containing 200 cubic miles of water. When the ice dam suddenly ruptured, all life and land downstream was devastated.
by William R. Corliss
Science Frontiers
No. 92: Mar-Apr 1994
(Folger, Tim; "The Biggest Flood," Discover, 15:36, January 1994.)
Comment. The breaking of Pleistocene ice dams also carved up parts of North America. There was the famous Cincinnati ice dam and, of course, the Spokane Flood that gouged out the Channelled Scablands of the Pacific Northwest, when Lake Missoula catastrophically emptied into the Pacific. See ETM5 in our catalog: Carolina Bays, Mima Mounds. It is described here.
But other thoughts intrude: Were the heaps of mammoth carcasses, the Siberian "ivory islands," and those anomalous stone tools mentioned earlier under Archeology the consequences similar Siberian floods?
"Kirchner was startled when the nuclide concentrations in the sediments he drew out of streams in 37 different catchments in Idaho's mountains revealed erosion rates over the past 5000 to 2700 years that averaged a whopping 17 times higher than modern-day rates, a finding he reported in the July 2002 Geology. After ruling out climate change and other factors, Kirchner concluded that the huge discrepancy must be due to catastrophic erosion events so rare that decades of regular observations are unlikely to spot them... One lesson to be drawn from this study, Kirchner suggests, is that in young, dynamic mountain ranges, engineers may be greatly overestimating the time it will take reservoirs to fill with debris should one of these catastrophic events occur in the reservoirs' lifetime." -- "Subtleties of Sand Reveal How Mountains Crumble" [related to cosmogenic nuclide dating]If this old German tale were a preservation of one of the glacial flood experiences, I have to wonder if it refers to the large influx of cold water attested by isotopes in the Greenland ice cores, or to the breaching of a previously unknown natural barrier which filled what is now the strait between Denmark and the rest of Scandinavia. Interestingly enough, Strabo betrays his own uniformitarian bias:8,200-year-old climate change studiedRetreating glaciers opened a route for two ancient meltwater lakes, known as Agassiz and Ojibway, to suddenly and catastrophically drain from the middle of the North American continent. At approximately the same time, climate records show the Earth experienced its last abrupt climate shift -- a drop of average air temperature by several degrees. Scientists believe the massive freshwater pulse interfered with the ocean's overturning circulation, which distributes heat around the globe.
Mar 1, 2006, 3:02 GMT
Monsters and Critics
UPIRomans and BarbariansIn fact the German heartland appears to have lain in the southern Baltic and north coastal areas of today's Germany. However, in the late 2nd century BC the Germans began to move southwards into the Rhineland and Belgium, setting in motion events which would shake Roman confidence and fuel her longstanding fear of the morthern peoples. Two tribes migrated from Jutland, 'driven from their lands by a great flood-tide.'18 [footnote: Strabo, Geography, 7.2.1]
by Derek Williams
(p 70)
And if he were alive today, he'd say he wouldn't believe that the Moon landings happened because he hasn't gone himself.GeographyII. As for the Cimbri, some things that are told about them are incorrect and others are extremely improbable. For instance, one could not accept such a reason for their having become a wandering and piratical folk as this--that while they were dwelling on a Peninsula they were driven out of their habitations by a great flood-tide; for in fact they still hold the country which they held in earlier times; and they sent as a present to Augustus the most sacred kettle1 in their country, with a plea for his friendship and for an amnesty of their earlier offences, and when their petition was granted they set sail for home; and it is ridiculous to suppose that they departed from their homes because they were incensed on account of a phenomenon that is natural and eternal, occurring twice every day. And the assertion that an excessive flood-tide once occurred looks like a fabrication, for when the ocean is affected in this way it is subject to increases and diminutions, but these are regulated and periodical.
by Strabo
7.2.1
Scientists confirm historic massive flood in climate changeScientists from NASA and Columbia University, New York, have used computer modeling to successfully reproduce an abrupt climate change that took place 8,200 years ago. At that time, the beginning of the current warm period, climate changes were caused by a massive flood of freshwater into the North Atlantic Ocean. This work is the first to consistently recreate the event by computer modeling, and the first time that the model results have been confirmed by comparison to the climate record, which includes such things as ice core and tree ring data... As retreating glaciers opened a route for two ancient meltwater lakes, known as Agassiz and Ojibway, to suddenly and catastrophically drain from the middle of the North American continent. At approximately the same time, climate records show that the Earth experienced its last abrupt climate shift.
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center
February 28, 2006