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Flood Made Britain An Island 'In 24 Hours'
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 9-25-2006 | Tim Hall

Posted on 09/24/2006 6:00:46 PM PDT by blam

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To: DannyTN
How can you post about Plate Tectonics? Or Continents?

There is not a single mention of continents in the Bible. Nor in the Qu'ran.

Adding extra-Biblical "interpretations" is not consistent. The Word was complete, wasn't it? Inventing weird notions about "how it could be true", about "it might be possible" is apostasy.

181 posted on 09/26/2006 9:30:17 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious.)
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To: dr_lew
Check out the "channeled scablands" of central and eastern Washington.

That is a clear flood event. I studied some of the terrain and features on the ground a few decades ago, but to really see them all you have to do is do a fly-over. Pretty clear that a lot of the terrain consists of erosional features.

182 posted on 09/26/2006 9:34:48 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
Please cf. my post 74 of this thread!
183 posted on 09/26/2006 9:42:10 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Hmmm. Guess that link doesn't work. Well, cf. my post 74, anyway!


184 posted on 09/26/2006 9:47:52 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: DannyTN
Gen 1:9-10 which implies there was one land mass. Neat-o. We always turn to Gen 1:9-10 whenever there is a question about geography or geology. Like how far is it from Iowa to Texas? It's right there in Gen 1:9-10. Or using a flat earth route, how far is it from Jerusalem to New Zealand, avoiding the rocks described by the Greeks. It's right there in Gen 1:9-10.
185 posted on 09/26/2006 9:50:20 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious.)
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To: dr_lew

Staying in the course is a moral or political argument. If the god of Genesis wanted water to cut through meanders, He would surely have made it so {poof}.


186 posted on 09/26/2006 9:55:16 PM PDT by thomaswest (Thank God for evolution.)
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To: thomaswest
"This argument appears logically inconsistent. If everyone except Noah's family was killed and their societies destroyed, why would there be any accounts anywhere (except maybe near Mt Arat)? There could not possibly have been survivors to tell such tales. "

If all societies descended from Noah, then they would all have started with the same flood story which would have been modified through the ages. So that you end up with what we have now. Slightly different variations on the Noah story.

But if all societies hadn't descended from Noah, then you wouldn't expect those similarities to exist.

187 posted on 09/26/2006 10:02:24 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: dr_lew
Hmmm. Guess that link doesn't work. Well, cf. my post 74, anyway!

Post #74 was a long time back! I either missed or forgot it.

Actually, that is a good photograph you posted. The channeled scablands are a very good example of flood geology. The dates and boundaries are pretty well known. I have actually studied a few of the formations, and have flown over the area--once you know what to look for, that's the way to really see the evidence.

To suppose a global flood (obviously of much greater magnitude than this flood), at about a third the age, leaves one to wonder where the evidence might be. We can see the evidence of post-glacial floods, like the channeled scablands, in several areas, and we can track where they went and at what times.

But we can't find this more recent (ca. 2350 BC), much larger, global flood anywhere.

188 posted on 09/26/2006 10:06:18 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: thomaswest
"So you believe plate tectonics are responsible for the distribution of marsupials, even though it was the Creationist, Antonio Snider, who in 1859 first espoused the idea, basing his beliefs on Gen 1:9-10 which implies there was one land mass. " - DannyTN "How can you post about Plate Tectonics? Or Continents? There is not a single mention of continents in the Bible.- Thomas West.

Because it was a Creationist who came up with the idea, based on his interpretation of Gen 1:9 which says God gathered all the seas into one place. He inferred from that scripture that the land must have all been adjoined.

Like it or not, that's history.

189 posted on 09/26/2006 10:09:20 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: dr_lew

Re 179: In the first picture, there are numerous quasi-linear water bodies to the west of the present channel with lengths on the order of 0.5 to 1 mile, according to the photo. Some suggest oxbow lakes. Some may be due to glacial sculpturing and some may be due to pre-existing water channels. How much uplift has occurred in this area in post-Pleistocene times?


190 posted on 09/26/2006 10:10:45 PM PDT by thomaswest (Thank God for evolution.)
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To: thomaswest
"So you believe plate tectonics are responsible for the distribution of marsupials, even though it was the Creationist, Antonio Snider, who in 1859 first espoused the idea, basing his beliefs on Gen 1:9-10 which implies there was one land mass. " - DannyTN "How can you post about Plate Tectonics? Or Continents? There is not a single mention of continents in the Bible.- Thomas West.

Because it was a Creationist who came up with the idea, based on his interpretation of Gen 1:9 which says God gathered all the seas into one place. He inferred from that scripture that the land must have all been adjoined.

Like it or not, that's history.

191 posted on 09/26/2006 10:12:54 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Coyoteman
Pretty clear that a lot of the terrain consists of erosional features.

Agreed. But is there a clear way to distinguish a chaotic flood event like from draining ancient Lake Missoula and the more usual V-shaped valleys from slow erosion?

This was an area overridden by glaciers, and the local flood occurred during their retreat.

192 posted on 09/26/2006 10:19:14 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious.)
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To: Coyoteman
To suppose a global flood (obviously of much greater magnitude than this flood), at about a third the age, leaves one to wonder where the evidence might be. We can see the evidence of post-glacial floods, like the channeled scablands, in several areas, and we can track where they went and at what times.

I suppose you know the story of J. Harlen Bretz, and how he was ostracized and more or less sacrificed his career to his study of the scablands, and his insistence that they were formed by a catastrophic flood - just because Geology had had all it wanted to hear about Catastrophic Floods!

But we can't find this more recent (ca. 2350 BC), much larger, global flood anywhere.

Yes, it's hard to figure how people can adhere to the idea. But they do.

193 posted on 09/26/2006 10:21:54 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: DannyTN
If all societies descended from Noah, then they would all have started with the same flood story which would have been modified through the ages. So that you end up with what we have now. Slightly different variations on the Noah story.

But if all societies hadn't descended from Noah, then you wouldn't expect those similarities to exist.

If all societies descended from Noah, you would expect DNA evidence to show that. It does not.

The stories of floods around the world reflect the fact that many human populations live near bodies of water! Look at New Orleans! Ever hear of Johnstown? How about tsunamis? Do they count too? Floods happen!

To try to take hundreds of flood stories and make them all tie into a "global" flood which wiped out all extant populations is a huge stretch. But about right for creation "science."

Its about apologetics, not science.

194 posted on 09/26/2006 10:22:13 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: dr_lew
I suppose you know the story of J. Harlen Bretz, and how he was ostracized and more or less sacrificed his career to his study of the scablands, and his insistence that they were formed by a catastrophic flood - just because Geology had had all it wanted to hear about Catastrophic Floods!

I am familiar with that story. I studied under one of the folks who ended up supporting it and seeing it through to acceptance.

That's the way science works. You bring evidence, and folks can verify that evidence, and you will make it through the BS filter.

195 posted on 09/26/2006 10:27:12 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman

We had a Katrina and a Tsunami, but that doesn't get translated into the world flooded, with an ark. I really think that's a stretch to assume local floods resulted in global flood stories.


196 posted on 09/26/2006 10:37:43 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Coyoteman
"If all societies descended from Noah, you would expect DNA evidence to show that. It does not."

We just found a second code in DNA last month. I don't think we understand DNA well enough to make the claim you make for it.

197 posted on 09/26/2006 10:39:22 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
Oy vey. You say that there are many mythological accounts of floods in many societies from many time periods and arising from many different beliefs in many different gods. I accept this.

Then you say that one particular myth is therefore proven. I find this illogical. Why "that one"?

If you give intellectual weight to all these myths, why single out one? Is there any evidence? [Quoting one tradition's sacred text is not evidence.]

And you assert that Noah's progeny established all these societies and carried not only the myth with them, but also their genes. The evidence is that American Indians are not closely genetically related to Semitic peoples [Noah] (unless you are a Mormon Christian, then all bets are off).

You may be right, but the evidence is far from persuasive.

198 posted on 09/26/2006 10:41:40 PM PDT by thomaswest (Just curious.)
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To: DannyTN
We had a Katrina and a Tsunami, but that doesn't get translated into the world flooded, with an ark. I really think that's a stretch to assume local floods resulted in global flood stories.

The Black Sea event is the most likely source for the "global" flood story, but that event wasn't global. There's a lot of "creative storytelling" in this one.

The only evidence for a global flood is the Bible, and I'm sorry to have to tell you the creationist geologists who were looking for the proof gave up about 1830.

It has been a staple of creationists and Bible literalists since then, but nobody else takes it seriously. The evidence is simply not there.

199 posted on 09/26/2006 10:46:06 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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200?


200 posted on 09/26/2006 10:47:25 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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