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Ky. Supreme Court Defines Where Guns Are Allowed In Vehicles
wave3.com ^ | Sep 21, 2006 | NA

Posted on 09/22/2006 12:23:01 PM PDT by neverdem

Associated Press

(LOUISVILLE, Ky.) -- Fadi Mohammad didn't think there was anything wrong with storing a gun in the center console of his car.

He found out differently when he was charged with illegally carrying the weapon during an arrest for drunken driving in Louisville.

When his case went to court, a judge dismissed the charges, saying the center console fell under a provision in Kentucky law allowing guns to be carried in a glove compartment.

But the Kentucky Supreme Court reinstated both charges on Thursday in a split decision issued in Frankfort, saying a center console is not a glove compartment.

"A glove compartment is a small storage cabinet in the dashboard of an automobile," Justice Donald C. Wintersheimer wrote in the opinion.

Mohammad's attorney, Larry Simon of Louisville, did not immediately return calls seeking comment Thursday. Bill Patterson, a spokesman for the Jefferson County Attorney's Office, which prosecuted the case, said he's glad the court clarified the law.

"When it gets to court, it's going to be easier to define if a crime took place," Patterson said.

The opinion, backed by four justices, centered on what constituted a glove compartment and whether the Kentucky General Assembly intended to include other compartments built into the cab of a vehicle when it allowed gun owners to carry weapons inside their vehicles.

Kentucky's concealed weapons law allows someone to carry a gun in the car, either in the glove compartment "regularly installed in a motor vehicle by its manufacturer," on the seat or in the trunk.

Mohammad asked a Jefferson County judge to dismiss the charges, saying the center console between the seats qualified as a glove compartment under the law. The judge agreed and dismissed the charges. The Kentucky Court of Appeals overturned that decision and sent the case to the state Supreme Court.

Wintersheimer wrote that the General Assembly didn't include all manufactured-installed compartments in the car, which means they must have meant to include only the glove compartment in the exception.

"Whether gloves fit into other compartments is immaterial because the phrase 'glove compartment' was expressly adopted by the General Assembly and retains the plain meaning as a compartment located in the dashboard of a vehicle," Wintersheimer wrote.

In a separate opinion, Justice Will T. Scott said the majority opinion refers to a compartment that always has a "locking mechanism," a requirement not listed in the General Assembly's definition of glove compartment.

"Moreover, there is nothing in the statute that requires it to be in the 'dash board,' much less on the 'face' of the dash board, as is commonly assumed," Scott wrote in an opinion joined by Chief Justice Joseph Lambert.

Scott also noted that several newer vehicles do not have glove compartments as defined by the majority of the court.

The legislature should amend the law to correct the court's ruling, because the Supreme Court cannot amend the law on its own, Scott wrote.

"That's all the better reason to reinsert 'console compartment, or some other similar compartment' back into the statute," Scott wrote. "But, that of course is not for us to do."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky
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To: TChris

With a bias toward common sense. Amen.


61 posted on 09/22/2006 2:09:04 PM PDT by JTHomes
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To: ZULU
Because it appears the statute doesn't cover a console, unless the console has a lid or cover, some do, some don't.

But that still doesn't make sense because having the gun laying on the seat is okay. I haven't seen any seats with lids. So, the purpose of the lid isn't even clear.

62 posted on 09/22/2006 2:12:54 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: neverdem

Interesting. Whether or not you break a law (and have your freedom deprived of you) depends on pricise meanings of phrases like "glove compartment".

It's hard to see the law as having anything to do with morality or safety. It's hard to respect it either.

Trafic tickets are just tolls. I can stop and proceed at a thousand red lights before I actually get a ticket. That is a CHEAP toll.


63 posted on 09/22/2006 2:14:39 PM PDT by RobRoy (Islam is more dangerous to the world now that Naziism was in 1937.)
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To: neverdem
Kentucky Supreme Court reinstated both charges...

Double jeopardy?

64 posted on 09/22/2006 2:20:49 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK; Congressman Billybob
Double jeopardy?

SCOTUS kicks cases back to federal district courts on a routine basis, IIRC.

65 posted on 09/22/2006 2:40:56 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Bigh4u2

Yah, I agree.

The intent of the law was clear, and clearly, the court didn't like the law.


66 posted on 09/22/2006 7:36:48 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Large
Thanks! Exactamundo!

This was always the left's game: Deflect the argument into something else. Look at all the posts here where people are debating what a glove box is. Irrelevant. The real question is why there is a law defining where a law-abiding person may carry a weapon at all. As far as I'm concerned if someone wants to drive around with a pistol in his lap: Have at it.

Gun control groups are nothing more than advocates for criminals. Every murder, robbery and rape committed by a CRIMINAL, not a weapon, needs to be layed at their feet.
67 posted on 09/22/2006 7:41:57 PM PDT by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: ZULU

Guess I mistakenly thought Kentucky's Supreme Court was above picking nits.


68 posted on 09/22/2006 7:43:45 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats, terrorists, Powell, McCain, Graham & Collins are intimate bedfellows)
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To: TXBubba

Sounds like the statute or the judges are all screwed up - or both.


69 posted on 09/23/2006 1:53:12 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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