Posted on 09/20/2006 1:52:30 PM PDT by OKSooner
I had the same experience with their stuff under the previous name of Diamond Shamrock. However it seems to be a car, or model of car, dependent thing. Many people I know swear by the stuff, especially the diesel users.
Interestingly, my previous car, a '90 Mazda 626 did not like Phillips gas bought in San Antonio, but the stuff bought up north in Sherman worked fine, I used it for years.
For the most part, he didn't own the stations. He did own the marketing, refining and distribution assets in the US.
You speak as one concerned with ONE usage of product. I was speaking -- still am, and will continue -- as one who is concerned with the world mkt in general.
If you're so concerned w/heavy metal residues, vanadium and/or any other, then you ought to be cheering your heart out for the tar sands' developments, not to mention Shell's in situ process for CO shale. The net production of both of these processes is very light, very clean product -- and between the US and Canada, we've a shjtload more of these than Yugo has of his sludge. May take an (that's one, single) extra step to produce top-quality jet, but -- as the old saying goes -- what you lose on the swings, you gain back on the roundabouts.
You want specific industry usages? No problem, can direct you to bona fide experts in any given category of fuel(s) and its/their production. You want to talk about crude? Let's go. Your convenience.
As you say, ''sulfur is removed''. However, desulfonation is not only not automatic, it requires extra equipment, variations in processing (at least), and more time thus more expense. Why the devil d'you think it sells at such a discount to Brent, WTI, even Ural light? Good grief, man!
I won't even get into the SpGr issues involved in refining Orinoco sour. This Ven crap requires a LOT more of each of these, agreed? (and if not, I'll see if I can put you directly in touch with one or another refinery mgr down on the Gulf to put you right on this specific topic).
Thanks for the thread. I've been avoiding CITGO and it's South American dictator thug for months. Combined with the NRA boycott of Conoco-Phillips, finding untainted fuel can be quite a challenge!
Did anyone catch this and what was the name they are using?
BUMP! I'm glad to see this post. There really needs to be a complete nation wide boycott of Citgo gas. Let's send 0$ to Hugo & Co.
The DUmmy view (barf alert):
Looking for an easy way to protest Bush foreign policy week after week? And an easy way to help alleviate global poverty? Buy your gasoline at Citgo stations.
And tell your friends.
Of the top oil producing countries in the world, only one is a democracy with a president who was elected on a platform of using his nation's oil revenue to benefit the poor. The country is Venezuela. The President is Hugo Chavez. Call him "the Anti-Bush."
Citgo is a U.S. refining and marketing firm that is a wholly owned subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company. Money you pay to Citgo goes primarily to Venezuela — not Saudi Arabia or the Middle East. There are 14,000 Citgo gas stations in the US. (Click here to find one near you.) By buying your gasoline at Citgo, you are contributing to the billions of dollars that Venezuela's democratic government is using to provide health care, literacy and education, and subsidized food for the majority of Venezuelans.
Instead of using government to help the rich and the corporate, as Bush does, Chavez is using the resources and oil revenue of his government to help the poor in Venezuela. A country with so much oil wealth shouldn't have 60 percent of its people living in poverty, earning less than $2 per day. With a mass movement behind him, Chavez is confronting poverty in Venezuela. That's why large majorities have consistently backed him in democratic elections. And why the Bush administration supported an attempted military coup in 2002 that sought to overthrow Chavez.
So this is the opposite of a boycott. Call it a BUYcott. Spread the word.
Of course, if you can take mass transit or bike or walk to your job, you should do so. And we should all work for political changes that move our country toward a cleaner environment based on renewable energy. The BUYcott is for those of us who don't have a practical alternative to filling up our cars.
So get your gas at Citgo. And help fuel a democratic revolution in Venezuela.
Also, some NASCAR drivers have CITGO and P.E. as sponsors...you should email them and let them know you do not approve of their being sponsored by enemies of America. Here is Derrike Cope's car when he drove for Jay Robinson and the Busch Grand National #49 Ford car...
You can leave comments on Cope's "guestbook" HERE if you so desire.
I've been wondering this too from the boycott naysayers. I'm usually against boycotts for social reasons, to affect social change, but this isn't to change anything; simply to punish an enemy of the US as best we can.
Granted he still may make money from oil sales, but there must be some financial repercussion in some way, if we don't patronize a store he at least indirectly owns.
I would like to hear how he won't be effected at all, if someone could explain. If not, then I will remember to boycott in the future, which for me, isn't very hard. I rarely patronized them anyway, as last time I did, I believe it did some harm to a previous car's engine (although I can't prove it of course). They also seem to be more expensive.
CITGO Petroleum Corporation is recognized as a leading manufacturer, marketer and transporter of gasoline, jet turbine fuel, diesel fuel, heating oils, lubricants, refined waxes, petrochemicals, asphalt and petroleum-based industrial products.
The company's success is due in large part to CITGO's continued emphasis on its key priorities: safe worksites for employees, environmental stewardship and a commitment to long-term financial health through strategic growth and business diversity.
Headquartered in Houston, Texas, CITGO is owned by PDV America, Inc., an indirect, wholly owned subsidiary of Petróleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PDVSA), the national oil company of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela.
http://www.citgo.com/InvestorRelations/InvestorRelations.jsp
Fernando Garay
Public Affairs Manager
(832) 486-1489
InvRel@citgo.com
"...many independently owned stations have closed because of EPA regulations,..."
I'm sure that's true -- but not in this particular case.
I will respond to that question, since no one else has. The answer is NO. CITGO never sold their 'refined' gas west of the Rockies, primarily due to the fact they had no way of getting it there other than by trucking it across the interstates. Any gasoline sold under the CITGO name was purchased from local refineries by the branded distributors (i.e. Southland Corporation, 7-11)
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