Liberals, Islamists Unite against Pope

frontpagemag ^ | September 18, 2006 | Andrew Walden

[diamond6]

bttt

[Carolina]

Pyro has begun a Pray for the Pope thread. Perhaps we could keep all the prayers together there. All are invited, of course.

But I'm willing to post a daily rosary threads for those who would like to join in with this specific intention. I'll need help keeping it going.

[Tax-chick]

Excellent points, and a good idea about Our Lady of Fatima. "CA Guy" suggested that Pope Benedict expects to be martyred, and that wouldn't surprise me at all.

This could be the beginning of a program of statements to make the dividing lines absolutely, inarguably clear.

[Tax-chick]

One generally doesn't have a high-level academic discussion with people who feel they have to bring genitalia into every exchange.

ZOT, I hate that!

[MrLee]

I monitor the "dark side" , like many here do.

[WLR]

To all...

Old GI Saying

When Tank under fire.

Kill the shooters

Then argue about who should have seen them.

Being a cantankerous sort years before 911 I was walking back to my truck which I had parked off the Military Hospital Grounds. There was a fella dressed in all white Muslim Garb towel and all. Of course I had to sit down... after a few min I stuck up a conversation. He was an intelligent fellow (unfortunately as we will probably have to deal with him if he did not clue in). Anyway I asked him a bit about his religion and then said. "Now why is it your fellow Muslims Kill Christians? I have read the Koran a few times and it says kill infidels. Were not infidels... why don't you all go and kill the nonbelievers first...then we can kill each other and show God who really loves him..... he looked at me puzzled I smiled got up and walked on.


I suggest we put down the internecine warfare for a while and deal with matters at hand.


W

[DoctorMichael]

After witnessing the usual parade of comments that are always on display at this esteemed website on the various recent postings dealing with this important issue, perhaps a better title for the article would have been "Liberals, Islamists, and Anti-Catholic Bigots at FreeRepublic Unite against Pope"

[NYer]

"CA Guy" suggested that Pope Benedict expects to be martyred, and that wouldn't surprise me at all.

That would clearly explain his desire to visit Bavaria before setting off on any other trips. The College of Cardinals has shrunk this year. When are the next appointments scheduled? Is it October?

[Jaded]

Thank you.

[Jaded]

That's certainly not restricted to the Middle East.

[virgil]

The media ...now there's a criminal enterprise. So morally depleted they are, and then twisting the Pope's intent to stir up riot and murder... and then blaming it on the Pope. It's not the first time they've done this. People get killed because of them. I want them cut down to size.

[I_dmc]

Papal Address at University of Regensburg

"Three Stages in the Program of De-Hellenization"

http://zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=94748

[Tax-chick]

That would clearly explain his desire to visit Bavaria before setting off on any other trips.

Outstanding point! I don't know when the next appointments to the Cardinalate are scheduled.

[Biggirl]

Pope B16, my kind of pope. True I am part Polish, but Pope B16 is in the right place at the right moment and time.

[Chi-townChief]

Sounds like he has his left and right confused; the Islamists are most definitely left-wing.

[Victoria Delsoul]

Wow, outstanding article, thanks much.

Great point here:

The Islamist reaction proves Manuel II’s 600-year-old point. The reaction is not one of anger but a calculated attempt to force the Pope into submission to Islam. Since Islam need not be internally consistent and it is not bound by reason, it’s only objective can be to assert the power of a God who is so transcendent that He is not bound by anything. If man is created in God’s image then by extension Islamic man is not bound by anything. (This explains the predilection on the part of some Muslims to lie.) Islamists are not responding to any ‘offense’ to their non-existent morality. They are asserting the only ‘morality’ they have—the will to power.

“Will to Power” is a key element of Nietzsche ’s philosophy—hence the root of the term, Islamofascist. Moreover the Western “left’ is today guided far more by Nietzsche existentialist thought than by Marxist thought—hence the alliance between the Western “left” and the Islamofascist ‘right’.

[Conservative til I die]

I do believe that Satan is the father of Islam, even if there are nice Muslims out there. Satan hates the True God, the God of the Jews and Christians. And Satan is clever. Whether we debate if Muslims act like this because they are practicing religion or perverting it, the fact is the end result is by Satan's design.

Islam is a truly evil cult, a real gutter faith.

[Frank Sheed]

Tax-chick's observation is perhaps true. One is hard pressed to understand what revelations through insight or prayer that the Pope is privy to in his inner mind. The Nunciatures are perhaps the best collection of intelligence information anywhere in the world as they provide unfiltered feedback from host countries. The Pope must know the overall lay of the land. I think it might be high time that the lines indeed be clearly drawn as T-c suggests.

It is informative for me that our Pastor remarked on the choices of Steve Centanni (who converted to Islam) and of a priest kidnapped by Al Quaeda in Rome who was tortured brutally for weeks before being released (without converting to Islam). The Gospel today asks all of us, "Who do you say that I am?" The single answer to this paramount question governs out entire life here on earth. He is either the Christ, the Son of the Living God or a shaman or holy man of some renown but of no real import to my life.

May the Holy Spirit guide the Holy Father!

F

[Old Student]

"I do believe that Satan is the father of Islam, even if there are nice Muslims out there. Satan hates the True God, the God of the Jews and Christians. And Satan is clever. Whether we debate if Muslims act like this because they are practicing religion or perverting it, the fact is the end result is by Satan's design.

Islam is a truly evil cult, a real gutter faith."

I disagree, I think. I believe that Islam was hijacked shortly after Mo died, and quite possibly re-hijacked in the 10th century or so. Look at the Shia/Sunni split, which happened rather soon after his death, and at the changes in acceptable inquiry in the late 900's... (this is assuming I'm remembering the dates correctly, of course.) I'd have to go dig out some textbooks and look into it again. That class was a while ago, like before 9/11.

All that is not to say that Satan hasn't got his hands on quite a few of the current leaders, though.

[Tax-chick]

I mentioned the reporters to my 5th grade class last week, as an illustration of why we have to learn and commit to and practice our Faith. (I was not aware of the kidnapped priest, or I'd have brought up the difference, as well!)

The single answer to this paramount question governs our entire life here on earth. He is either the Christ, the Son of the Living God or a shaman or holy man of some renown but of no real import to my life.

Excellent summary.