[Quix]

It's very hard to be very lofty when one starts with

chance plus time and never gets beyond that.

The only plausible result is that man is nothing more important than a rat, a pigeon, a radish or a rock--as B.F.Skinner was wont to pontificate about.

[YHAOS]

"It's very hard to be very lofty when one starts with chance plus time and never gets beyond that."

Yeah. And I'm not even looking to be very lofty (except I'm not sure exactly what you mean by 'lofty'). No kidding, Skinner mentioned rocks in this context? I'll be darned.{ 8 ^ )

But, instead of rocks maybe it should be stardust. We all enjoy common descent from stardust. Hoagy would be fascinated.