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Evolution Is Practically Useless, Admits Darwinist
Creation Evolution Headlines ^ | 08/30/06 | Creation Evolution Headlines

Posted on 09/13/2006 3:52:47 PM PDT by DannyTN

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To: RobRoy

Sorry, but you're incorrect. Traits can emerge under environmental pressure in populations in which they did not originally exist.


421 posted on 09/14/2006 6:43:50 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Physicist
Sorry ~ but you are wrong ~ modern evolutionists mean change as slight as turning over to catch more rays.

Just read some of their pontifications right here in this thread.

Hocking a loogie is "evolution" in their minds.

422 posted on 09/14/2006 6:45:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Liberal Classic
They can?

Think areal hard ~ how does the critter know the pressures are there, and what does he do to adjust his genome?

423 posted on 09/14/2006 6:47:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: RegulatorCountry
You argued at length that what the Nazis did was not "evolution" at all, because it was not natural selection.

Show me a link to that. I have made mistakes, but I can't remember or imagine saying that.

I recall saying many things on those threads, but not that.

Among other things, I often point out that Darwin got the idea for natural selection from studying changes brought about through domestication of plants and animals.

I have pointed out many times that natural selection is exactly the same process as artificial selection -- just lacking human intervention.

What I said about the Nazis is that they were motivated by religion rather than science. A scientific breeder would not kill off the best specimens and breed the worst.

424 posted on 09/14/2006 6:48:14 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: freedumb2003

Beware of those of the 29+ evidences that rely on bootstrapping or other resampling techniques. They really prove nothing other than the biases of those who use them.

On the other hand, those of the 29+ evidences that deal with transitional fossils and correlation of the column with progression of species are quite compelling.

But to be fair to creationists, it should be acknowledged that evolution is a theory that has been evolving. It's rather difficult to critique a theory that morphs into something else before one's eyes.


425 posted on 09/14/2006 6:49:06 AM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: RobRoy

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426 posted on 09/14/2006 6:51:26 AM PDT by RunningWolf (2-1 Cav 1975)
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To: muawiyah
Think areal hard ~ how does the critter know the pressures are there, and what does he do to adjust his genome?

Where has anyone on this thread said genomes anticipate need? That is Lamarckianism -- rejected in the last century.

But all populations have variation, and all populations acquire new alleles through mutation. During any period of environmental change, the frequency of alleles in the population shifts to accommodate the change. If the necessary traits do not exist, the population goes extinct.

427 posted on 09/14/2006 6:55:06 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: muawiyah
Just read some of their pontifications right here in this thread.

Point me to an example on this thread of a non-inherited change being called evolution.

In any case, individual posts on FreeRepublic can not necessarily be taken as proven representations of the consensus opinion of the scientific establishment.

428 posted on 09/14/2006 6:55:06 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
Point me to an example on this thread of a non-inherited change being called evolution.

There's a lot of assertions being made on this thread that are simply, objectively untrue.

429 posted on 09/14/2006 6:57:06 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: js1138
You just said "traits can emerge" that didn't already exist in the genome under "environmental pressure", and I'm disputing that "environmental pressure" causes previously non-existent traits to emerge.

Environmental pressure DOES NOT CAUSE changes in the genome.

430 posted on 09/14/2006 6:59:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Physicist

You must have missed last evening. It was claimed that all change is evolution.


431 posted on 09/14/2006 6:59:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mogollon
"...in fact he wanted to dedicate the 2nd volume of Das Capital (one of the pillars of world communism) to Charles Darwin. Darwin refused this dubious honor though..."

This is incorrect. Volume 2 of Das Capital was published by Engels in 1893, a year after Marx's death and 11 years after the death of Darwin.
432 posted on 09/14/2006 7:00:26 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: mywholebodyisaweapon
But to be fair to creationists, it should be acknowledged that evolution is a theory that has been evolving. It's rather difficult to critique a theory that morphs into something else before one's eyes.

The core issue to which the creationists object is common descent. That's the real target of their cultural cleansing campaign, and it hasn't moved one inch.

Beyond that, Darwinism hasn't really changed much at all. The details have been fleshed out, and sometimes debated vigorously, but I don't think there's anything in Darwin's Origin of Species that hasn't stood the test of time. Certainly the core arguments remain unaltered.

433 posted on 09/14/2006 7:03:07 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: MeanWestTexan
By the same reason, studying history is useless.

Can you connect the dots for me on that one? I'm not seeing the analogy.

434 posted on 09/14/2006 7:03:56 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: muawiyah
You must have missed last evening.

So I did. Help me out with a link to such a post.

435 posted on 09/14/2006 7:04:43 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: mywholebodyisaweapon
It's rather difficult to critique a theory that morphs into something else before one's eyes.

That would include all of science. Consider heliocentrism. Firs it included epicycles, then elliptical orbits, then universal gravitation, then general relativity. And it's not done yet.

Evolution is a forensic statement about the history of life, and it is a collection of phenomena and processes comprising a theory to explain the history. Few scientific theories have undergone less fundamental changes in the last 150 years than variation and natural selection.

436 posted on 09/14/2006 7:05:51 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: muawiyah
Environmental pressure DOES NOT CAUSE changes in the genome.

Welcome to the club. You are not on board with mainstream science. Try googling "midwife toad".

437 posted on 09/14/2006 7:07:39 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: muawiyah

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/midwife.html


438 posted on 09/14/2006 7:09:57 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: muawiyah
"Saturn's "rings" were earlier seen as "horns", and because of that Saturn and his counterparts (Ba'al), became the god to whom children were sacrificed."

Odd, Saturn's rings were discovered in 1610 by Galileo. I didn't realize that folks were sacrificing children to Ba'al at that late date.
439 posted on 09/14/2006 7:10:45 AM PDT by stormer (Get your bachelors, masters, or doctorate now at home in your spare time!)
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To: muawiyah
You must have missed last evening. It was claimed that all change is evolution.

This is thread stalking, and it is against FR rules. If you want to make such a claim, back it up with links.

440 posted on 09/14/2006 7:13:34 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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