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Report links global warming, storms
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Tuesday, September 12, 2006 | Keay Davidson

Posted on 09/12/2006 6:58:14 AM PDT by Reeses

Scientists say they have found what could be the key to ending a yearlong debate about what is making hurricanes more violent and common -- evidence that human-caused global warming is heating the ocean and providing more fuel for the world's deadliest storms.

For the past 13 months, researchers have debated whether humanity is to blame for a surge in hurricanes since the mid-1990s or whether the increased activity is merely a natural cycle that occurs every several decades.

Employing 80 computer simulations, scientists from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and other institutions concluded that there is only one answer: that the burning of fossil fuels, which warms the climate, is also heating the oceans.

... more violent ... bigger and more ferocious ... is caused by human activities ... made hurricanes about 50 percent more intense ... scary times could be ahead

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; hurricanes
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Solution: help nature make more clouds. Clouds reflect sunlight out to space cooling the ocean surface to any prehistoric temperature wanted.

The journalist in this article did present some opposing viewpoints but otherwise it is boilerplate global warming script: fear, guilt, authority, infallible computer models, and no technology based solutions offered.

1 posted on 09/12/2006 6:58:15 AM PDT by Reeses
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2 posted on 09/12/2006 6:59:01 AM PDT by Reeses
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For the past 13 months, researchers have debated whether humanity is to blame for a surge in hurricanes

What "debate"? - I thought it was unanimous!

Al the Goron told me so....

3 posted on 09/12/2006 7:04:00 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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scientists from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory

Hopefully working on weather weapons of war. A hurricane could be a radiation-free Hiroshima.

War is the mother of invention. The technology to actively manage the climate will come from military funded research projects.

4 posted on 09/12/2006 7:04:53 AM PDT by Reeses
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Kind of interesting how all the scientists, except the hurricane specialists, believe water temperature is the controling factor in hurricane formation. And there are other mechanisms for heat to be dissipated by the oceans. There are many factors involved in hurricane formation and sea surface temperature is only one. This year is an example where the oceans are warm, but storm formation has thus far been minimal.


5 posted on 09/12/2006 7:05:42 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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It took them a whole 13 months to hatch a theory on this that confirms their agenda? They must be slipping.


6 posted on 09/12/2006 7:06:47 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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I actually saw an article in Popular Mechanics, I believe it was, that one of their proposals is to build giant cloud-makers in the oceans, turning seawater into fog.

Also giant mirrors in space to deflect the sunlight.

Got a lot of stares in the Doctors office when I groaned out loud "Oh for Chrissakes!"


7 posted on 09/12/2006 7:07:10 AM PDT by digger48
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They are going to keep saying this even as the lack of significant hurricanes becomes more and more apparent. On the other hand if hot air can do it, and this being an election year...............


8 posted on 09/12/2006 7:07:26 AM PDT by midwyf (Wyoming Native. Environmentalism is a religion too.)
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Recent studies show that although the heat content of the oceans increased in the 1990s and early 2000s, it fell by 20 percent or so in 2003-2005. But that doesn't fit the template.

Moreover, it should be noted that this article describes a study based on computer models. Models can generate hypotheses that can be tested with data. Models are not, in themselves, evidence; they generate predictions that should be compared with empirical evidence to assess the models' validity. The data do not provide convincing evidence of an increasing trend in the number of intense storms.

9 posted on 09/12/2006 7:08:26 AM PDT by financeprof
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Guess the authors aren't keeping track of the current season which is way below normal both in number and intensity. We're not through the end of the season yet.

Suggested reading; "State of Fear" by Michael Crighton



10 posted on 09/12/2006 7:12:17 AM PDT by pblax8
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Further my last, it is ironic that the storm that precipitated the debate referred to in the article--Katrina (note the article's mention of the 13 month debate)--was not that intense. Indeed, recent analysis strongly suggests that it was a garden variety Category 1 storm by the time it hit NOLA. However, even a weak punch can deliver a knockout blow if it connects with a glass jaw, and the combination of bad geography and bad engineering made NOLA uniquely vulnerable.


11 posted on 09/12/2006 7:16:03 AM PDT by financeprof (Proud to be a climate change skeptic--skepticism is the hallmark of science)
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They are going to keep saying this even as the lack of significant hurricanes becomes more and more apparent.

That's why they're saying it. They figure if they keep prattling on about how terrible the hurricane season is, even if it isn't, most of the sheeple will just shrug and buy their line.

The goal is to gin up enough fear to keep that global warming industry going at all costs. This is serious! There are grants to be had!

12 posted on 09/12/2006 7:16:16 AM PDT by JennysCool (Roll out the Canarble Wagon!)
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We all know (previous posts) that global warming is caused by
the reduction in number of pirates. And since global warming
causes more intense hurricanes it follows that.....


13 posted on 09/12/2006 7:23:33 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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What's good about fog is it burns off during the day. To cool the ocean fast we need clouds during the day and clear sky at night. But fog only forms under narrow circumstances. Other clouds are easier to induce. One way is to get small water droplets a few feet off the ground. Then the lapse rate will take over sending the moisture skyward. Adding a nucleator to the air can help the moisture condense into sunlight reflectors at a higher temperature.
14 posted on 09/12/2006 7:24:06 AM PDT by Reeses
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Hurricanes are more violent and common?

Here we are, over half-way through the 2006 Atlantic Basin Hurricane season and we've only seen one Tropical Storm hit the U.S.

Exactly how does that translate to "more violent and common?"

Is it that "new math" thing again?


15 posted on 09/12/2006 7:28:20 AM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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Isn't their timing exquisite?

Reminds me of a few yrs. ago when Al Gore made a big Global Warming speech in the throes of a blizzard.
16 posted on 09/12/2006 7:31:08 AM PDT by Vinnie
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Just a point, but I have visited LLNL recently. They are hurting for funding. As a result, they are looking for what ever research fields will get them funds; water, air pollution, now global warming. You name it. This is just another gambit.


17 posted on 09/12/2006 7:36:31 AM PDT by UpStateNY
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Hurricanes are giant heat exchangers...so the global warming folks should be happy to see them.


18 posted on 09/12/2006 7:44:56 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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a study based on computer models.

We're supposed to be impressed that they used 80 different models. If a model can accurately represent what is going on isn't one enough? 80 indicates they don't have much of a handle on it. Is a consensus of 80 computer models really science?

19 posted on 09/12/2006 8:05:06 AM PDT by Reeses
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This is coming from San Francisco. Those ol'boys haven't had a hurricane since the 1700s when they were 24/7 ~ actually held up Spanish settlement of both Baja and Norte California FOR A CENTURY.


20 posted on 09/12/2006 8:51:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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