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Modern Humans, Not Neanderthals, May Be Evolution's 'Odd Man Out'
EurekAlert ^ | 9-8-2006 | Neil Schoenherr - University Of Washington

Posted on 09/08/2006 7:50:32 PM PDT by blam

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To: BRITinUSA; Vicomte13

There's an old short story by Theodore Sturgeon in which an Earthling is taken into the confidence of an extraterrestrial, who tells the Earthling that he's ready to join his kindred and travel among the stars. She claims that the ancestors of humans on Earth were extraterrestrial survivors of a disabled colony ship which crashed many thousands of years earlier. When the Earthling pointed out that there are hominid fossils, the ET said, "they are indigenous", and that the planets to be colonized are always an exact match for the homeworld. :')


61 posted on 09/08/2006 11:26:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Vicomte13

Just to add to your neotony theory, I'd always heard our heads have been getting too big to get through the birth canal, so we are born in essence premature.

"But we're really weaklings, runts, physically stunted and retarded - our genetic flaw. But what a flaw! Because the same defect that didn't let the body grow to full ape-like prowess ALSO didn't let the mind close and the neural pathways hardwire into instinct. Our brains remained more babylike, more juvenile, and capable of massive absorption of information, like all young animals."


I have a two year old niece. What struck me is that she loves to walk and run, keeps up rather well in fact on a long walk in the park (pant pant). Perhaps the lack of strength was replaced by endurance.


62 posted on 09/08/2006 11:26:52 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: MHGinTN

:') Alas, chimps are geographically pretty limited, and their numbers are measured in the thousands. So, unless they've got some kind of huge underground bunker where they're developing a huge cloned chimp army with super-advanced weapons, or biological agents... ;')


63 posted on 09/08/2006 11:27:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Vicomte13

If a homocidal chimp comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come cryin' for me... [in John Cleese voice]


64 posted on 09/08/2006 11:29:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Simple. Who's here? Who's not? Those who aren't don't get to be the cool kids.


65 posted on 09/09/2006 12:22:22 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: blam
Just adding to the catalog, not pinging the list, because A) this will be in Digest #112, and that one is about to go out, and B) it's beginning to smell a little like a bloodbath. And I'm all whiny because I'm trying to fix a virus problem on a coworker's machine while ringing the boss to wake up and come in so I don't have to do a double shift. [Sigh.]

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66 posted on 09/09/2006 12:33:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

That's "cow-orker."

< }B^)


67 posted on 09/09/2006 2:00:26 AM PDT by Erasmus (It takes branes to make an alternate universe!)
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To: Erasmus

:')


68 posted on 09/09/2006 2:38:29 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To Doctor Professor Trinkaus -- well, da-uhhh.

It's like pullin' teeth with those guys. Speaking of which...
The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]

69 posted on 09/09/2006 2:40:08 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Saturday, September 2, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ASA Vet
Obviously time for me to go to bed and dream about grammar.

*Yawn* Top of the morning to ya....

First cup of coffee time

Hmmm....Hadn't notice the Presenter / Dog's eye contract, viewed again......Granmar / speling, was OK :D

70 posted on 09/09/2006 5:02:49 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just b/c your paranoid; Doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^)
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To: SunkenCiv
If a homocidal chimp comes after you with a bunch of loganberries, don't come cryin' for me... [in John Cleese voice]

...."Then I'll stab him w/ a Banana....a passion fruit or a *Crunch* 16 Tonne Mass weight thingee falling from nowhere...." :D

71 posted on 09/09/2006 5:11:56 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just b/c your paranoid; Doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^)
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To: FastCoyote
"Just to add to your neotony theory, I'd always heard our heads have been getting too big to get through the birth canal, so we are born in essence premature. "

Of all the primates, humans are the only ones that come out of the birth canal facing to the rear. Just before birth, the baby has to do a spin around to face to the rear. Other primate mothers can help and facilitate the birthing process but human mothers can't. The 'spin around' process is to accommodate the larger brained/headed humans.

72 posted on 09/09/2006 5:34:03 AM PDT by blam
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To: Physicist
Good comments.

If we are the dominant Homo species, then by definition, we are not a side-branch, and by numbers, Neanderthals are definatly a side-branch.

I would think that he & she who compete best win the branch.
73 posted on 09/09/2006 7:48:47 AM PDT by SuzyQue (Remember to think.)
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To: blam

Neanderthals were geographically limited--I believe all the remains found so far are either from Europe or the Middle East (e.g., Israel)--when other humans were more widely distributed. So it's not unreasonable to think of the Neanderthals as a side branch.


74 posted on 09/09/2006 8:07:15 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: M-cubed

What's the bet? I've fought with fists, but not with rocks -- is that what you call a good fight?


75 posted on 09/09/2006 11:18:07 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Vicomte13

I think the emphasis is on "men", there. While it may be possible for a single man to kill a lion with a pointy stick (Monty Python, again), it's very unlikely for such a match to end with the man still standing. The lion has speed, quickness, strength, size, agility, very sharp claws, and sharp teeth; as I said, a killing machine.


76 posted on 09/09/2006 11:32:40 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat
Yes but I think early man rarely hunted alone.
Man has always hunted in groups, packs if you will. Probably drew inspiration from observing another very successful group or pack hunter---canines !
A single canine is not much of a match for its prey or in defending itself BUT a pack of canines is very capable.
I have heard naturalists claim that African Wild Dogs are the most dangerous predator in Africa. This form of hunting & social interaction is probably the basis for man's affinity toward canines & their comfort with us.

Also why would you hunt a lion ? I don't imagine they are particularly good eating!
77 posted on 09/09/2006 11:50:46 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Reily
This part of the thread developed from v. saying that a chimp adept with a rock could take on a lion. My point was that a lion was a much more effective killing machine than v. was giving it credit for. A member of the cat family is more than a match for any other animal 3 times its size in one-on-one combat.

I agree with your point about the men hunting in packs. The aforesaid cat is fine 1-on-1 but against 2 or more animals it has a major problem protecting its rear. As far as why hunt lions, I can only think its done to prove one's manhood against the King of the jungle -- the old West gunfighter syndrome.

78 posted on 09/09/2006 1:17:42 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

The Seminoles had a manhood ritual involving hunting the Florida panther. I am sure that African veldt living humans both stone age & otherwise did something similar. My comment about hunting lions for food was more tongue-in-cheek then serious.


79 posted on 09/09/2006 1:25:19 PM PDT by Reily
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