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To: Donna Lee Nardo

Thanks for the info. I'm all for looking at any and every crazy scheme/map/image floating around. Long ago, I read both Mein Kampf and Shto Dyelat and I'm sure anyone reading those pre-revolutionary diatribes at the time would find it difficult to make sense of the writings let alone take those schemes seriously.

But unless there is some rationale I'm missing, all this map shows is the Islamic world as it has been for 1000 years with all the other countries colored in random colors, then showing a world 100 years from now all in green (Islamic), but not really showing how that happens when the area shaded green has not really expanded much in 1000 years - - not much progress to show for 1000 years of "jihad".

The map shows the dream of that same old radical faction within Islam that remains, even after a millenium, "stuck on stupid". The only way they can get "unstuck" and get the jihad they truly envision is if they manage to set off a global clash between the "green world" and the rest of the world. The source of the map may be legit. But without some rhyme or reason to the colors to "break their code" (if any), despite all the small print, the map never really says anything new (except they believe Islam will one day rule the world, which comes as no shock)

Most people still do not understand that 9/11 was not really about us. Actually, none of the terror attacks is ultimately about us (the "infidel" colored countries). We are just props in their pseudo-religious morality play. It is all about the green countries (or more precisely the literal 99.95% of the Muslim world that even after 1000 years still will not engage in active global "jihad").

Jihadis (Sunni or Shia) cannot unify all the "green" countries under their radical banner of a mythical Caliphate unless they somehow create a situation that forces them to band together to defend themselves against the rest of the world. The vast majority of the Islamic world after all this time remains completely unwilling to participate in an "offensive" jihad, but if they become convinced that the entire Muslim world is under attack, then they will possibly come together to fight "defensive" jihad.

This is the reason for all the tapes over the past 10 years. It is to repeatedly argue their case to the "home crowd" (which is not yet convinced) that the entire world is attacking them, and that this militant faction of jihadis are therefore only acting in self-defense on their behalf when they go out and kill "infidels", and so jihad is the only solution for Muslims to survive.

So when they attack American civilians again, but on a much larger scale, it will be only after repeated "warnings" and "invitations" to relent, and then only in "self-defense". The warnings are not so much for us but for the billion-plus Muslim spectators on the sidelines, many of whom, but not all , are citizens of the green countries, who may hate American policies (as do the majorities in virtually every other country on that map as well, including our "allies'), but are not ready to sign onto the global religious war of the jihadis in the name of defending Islam. It is a sign of the weakness of global jihad that they have had to spend years preparing their populations for the use of WMD against America. Their people need all this convincing . . . because they are not convinced.

It is damning evidence that the Muslim world really does not want global jihad and never has. After 10 years of telling them that the West/infidels are committing genocide in Bosnia, Chechnya, Kosovo, Kashmir, Palestine, Afghanistan, now Iraq, with over a billion Muslims, you couldn't fill two football stadiums if you rounded up every single international jihadi fighter on the planet. And even if you included those who actively support them, but do not actually wage jihad, you still have a fraction of a fraction. That is why the jihadis have been pursuing the "holy grail" of WMD. They need to set off a war of mutual mass murder, so they truly get mutual "genocide" and in that way infect the rest of the Islamic world with the martyrdom complex that afflicts jihadis. A WMD war is the only way the jihadi death cult gets the 99% of those on the sidelines to come drink their kool aid. This is not about us.

This small band of global revolutionaries is trying to set off an apocalypse by using WMD to start a global war/civilizational clash, so that all those green countries (who have little to do with one another at this point and have not for most of the past 1000 years) then come together to form a "caliphate" in "self-defense". That is the only way jihadis will come to power. It is the only way they will ever succeed because they have nothing to show for the past 1000 years. Almost all the Islamic world - - Iraqis, Bosnians, Lebanese, Iranians, Indonesians, Kosovars, Nigerians, etc are more concerned about putting food on the table, keeping their kids safe, and taking care of their futures than going off to fight jihad.

So if the revolution of global jihad cannot convince the Islamic world to willingly go embrace jihad and fight for their cause, they will force the war to come to them. And the only way they will ever get the bees in the "infidel" beehive to come attack them in their own countries (and create their excuse for global jihad) is to go hit the beehive as hard as they can, then go run and hide behind the women and children of the "green countries" (Muslim world) so that when massive numbers of Muslim civilians then get killed in the crossfire, they can then scream to the spectators who are sitting on the fence - - "let all Muslims join us now to go fight jihad". That is why they have long needed something sufficiently large to provoke a retaliation large enough to set this train in motion. That is the playbook. Not that map.


1,144 posted on 09/18/2006 8:43:26 AM PDT by callmejoe
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To: callmejoe
You're welcome and thanks for your comments. I hope you also checked Tilly's in-depth information.

I guess the map is meant as a grand symbol; a reminder that Islam is not happy being one of three major religions of the world. The aim is to conquer the world. The fanatics are fuled by this force, as we well know. But -- and just as importantly at least to me -- the sheer growth of Islam inherents throughout the world gives one pause because it is through even this natural burgeoning growth that the non-fanatic Muslims will eventually be giving non-Muslims a run for their money. I guess to me the problem is that Islam is a distinct religion and way of life that doesn't seem to be as conducive to co-existence with other religions as are the other great religions. Therein lies the potential rub.

Think of Europe and Michigan as quick examples and think of all the changes made to suit Islam. They know there is strength in numbers -- especially in democratic nations -- and their strongholds keep growing. There are statistics showing Islam to be one of -- if not the -- fastest growing religions but I won't get into that here.

So in this way they have progressed forward and the Muslim footprint is making itself known is areas previously unheard of. Even following 911, interest in Islam skyrocketed and this "recruitment" was so deliriously exhilerating to the jihadis as evidenced by their bragging on the Muslim forums.

I do not believe there is any code to that map other than green (and non-green by default). Of course, this map does not say anything new, as you said. Overall, this is one jpg that, IMO, needn't be overanalyzed. It would be fun it something was hidden there, but I don't think this is the case and sometimes what is hiding in plain site is the main point. In fact, it is sometimes fun to hide in plain site because it is easy -- and often welcome -- to be overlooked. ;)

You said: "It is all about the green countries (or more precisely the literal 99.95% of the Muslim world that even after 1000 years still will not engage in active global 'jihad')." I like this comment very much. There is something subtly important in there. Many folks say that all Muslims are duplitious and one cannot rely on what they do or say as the absolute truth. But for all of the talk of Muslim al-taqiyya (hiding beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies), I am not sure what the truth is here since scholars are all over the road on this one. Perhaps al-taqiyya is simply our own "the end determines the means." It's possible. Of course, the jihadists no doubt have their own less-than-innocent take on this.

And, yes, usama bin laden's aim is/was to manipulate Muslims into seeing a unilateral and deliberate clash of civilizations instigated by the two Great Satans (America and Israel) against the Muslim world. So we are in agreement that no matter what is contained in the Koran, most Muslims are not -- nor will they be without a good cause -- active fanatics. The key word is active. However, we know they all disapprove of the Palestinian problem and we know where they all place the blame (the two Great Satans again).

In fact, I am somewhat surprised that al qaeda has not employed the Palestinian issue more to their advantage even though they have used it over and again. When they have used it, they always muddy it up with a multitude of additional Muslim issues and situations in the world. This dilutes the strength of the Palestinian issue in rallying all Muslims, which I believe this one single issue appears to have the power to do because it's not logical, it's Biblical. It's actually a boon that they don't stick to this one topic.

1,206 posted on 09/19/2006 6:02:15 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo (DEATH TO ISLAMIC TERRORISTS AND ANIMAL AND CHILD ABUSERS.)
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