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Time Before Time [speculative cosmology]
Seed Magazine ^ | August 28, 2006 | Sean Carroll

Posted on 08/30/2006 1:01:48 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored

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Amusing musings from a cosmologist...
1 posted on 08/30/2006 1:01:50 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; grey_whiskers; headsonpikes; PatrickHenry; Iris7; Junior; ...

...gniP


2 posted on 08/30/2006 1:02:59 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
Well, to anyone who might see this in some other universe:

!snorom ,yaw gnorw eht gniog er'uoY

3 posted on 08/30/2006 1:13:14 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Already posted.

(in a quantum sense)

4 posted on 08/30/2006 1:14:01 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: martin_fierro

We always seek but do not always find...


5 posted on 08/30/2006 1:17:40 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: All
Relevant articles:

Sean M. Carroll & Jennifer Chen, Spontaneous Inflation and the Origin of the Arrow of Time (PDF)
Abstract:

We suggest that spontaneous eternal inflation can provide a natural explanation for the thermodynamic arrow of time, and discuss the underlying assumptions and consequences of this view. In the absence of inflation, we argue that systems coupled to gravity usually evolve asymptotically to the vacuum, which is the only natural state in a thermodynamic sense. In the presence of a small positive vacuum energy and an appropriate inflaton field, the de Sitter vacuum is unstable to the spontaneous onset of inflation at a higher energy scale. Starting from de Sitter, inflation can increase the total entropy of the universe without bound, creating universes similar to ours in the process. An important consequence of this picture is that inflation occurs asymptotically both forwards and backwards in time, implying a universe that is (statistically) time-symmetric on ultra-large scales.

Sean M. Carroll & Jennifer Chen, Does Inflation Provide Natural Initial Conditions for the Universe? (PDF)
Abstract:

If our universe underwent inflation, its entropy during the inflationary phase was substantially lower than it is today. Because a low-entropy state is less likely to be chosen randomly than a high-entropy one, inflation is unlikely to arise through randomly-chosen initial conditions. To resolve this puzzle, we examine the notion of a natural state for the universe, and argue that it is a nearly-empty spacetime. If empty space has a small vacuum energy, however, inflation can begin spontaneously in this background. This scenario explains why a universe like ours is likely to have begun via a period of inflation, and also provides an origin for the cosmological arrow of time.


6 posted on 08/30/2006 1:19:41 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

bump


7 posted on 08/30/2006 1:28:26 AM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: snarks_when_bored

I can hardly understand this stuff, but I have this theory about time: All of our theories about it are completely wrong.


8 posted on 08/30/2006 1:34:15 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Darkwolf377
I'm not sure it's quite that bad...but it might be!

I'm reminded of St. Augustine's famous remark:  "What is time? If no one asks me, I know; if I wish to explain it to one that asketh, I know not."

9 posted on 08/30/2006 1:45:09 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

"time is just natures way of keeping everything from happening all at once"


10 posted on 08/30/2006 1:59:01 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Naw, it's just me. I've read about time, and it always seems to be about to fall into place, and then I step back and it just seems completely theoretical and based on a certain mindset. I think time is all about assumptions. But then, i can't understand even the assumptions.


11 posted on 08/30/2006 2:01:36 AM PDT by Darkwolf377
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Time: It's what keeps everything from happening at once!

Mark


12 posted on 08/30/2006 2:11:39 AM PDT by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: muir_redwoods

Another classic...


13 posted on 08/30/2006 2:28:44 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored
I am probably wrong, but I disagree with this premise..

Time is unidirectional..

I would also posit that time is actually a constant..
It is only in a relativistic sense that time is "perceived" as moving faster or slower..

I think we will find that the speed of light itself is not the constant we believe it to be..
It can be surpassed..
What the consequences may be in doing so, I do not know..
I will bet, however, that time travel is not one of them..
We may eventually be able to traverse vast distances very quickly, but it won't affect time itself..

Just my two cents worth..

14 posted on 08/30/2006 2:39:38 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom... Not just a job, it's an adventure..)
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To: Drammach

Time is just a means to measure something's existence. In other words, it's arbitrary. Gravity is the force that needs to be understood to move to a higher plane.


15 posted on 08/30/2006 3:07:45 AM PDT by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: shibumi

'Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana' ping


16 posted on 08/30/2006 3:21:23 AM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.........)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Somehow reminds me of

" . . . time, times and half a time . . . "


17 posted on 08/30/2006 3:34:25 AM PDT by Quix (LET GOD ARISE AND HIS ENEMIES BE SCATTERED. LET ISRAEL CALL ON GOD AS THEIRS! & ISLAM FLUSH ITSELF)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Let's hear it for the Chambers Brothers!


18 posted on 08/30/2006 4:04:50 AM PDT by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Snickersnee

Oh, yeah, baby!


19 posted on 08/30/2006 4:06:16 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: Drammach
Time is unidirectional..

I would also posit that time is actually a constant..
It is only in a relativistic sense that time is "perceived" as moving faster or slower..

Should we understand you to mean that you deny that photons experience no lapse of time?

I think we will find that the speed of light itself is not the constant we believe it to be..
It can be surpassed..

The constancy of the speed of light in a vacuum is a cornerstone of special relativity, an experimentally well-tested theory that we've found no cause to emend just yet. You may recall, though, that light has been slowed to a stop in recent laboratory experiments. Only tachyonic stuff could exceed the speed of light in a vacuum, and we've seen no evidence of such stuff so far.

20 posted on 08/30/2006 4:21:22 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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