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Can Karl Rove Pull It Off?
NewsMax | 8.29.06 | By Ronald Kessler

Posted on 08/29/2006 7:30:29 AM PDT by meandog

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To: rlmorel

I forgot "gun-totin'".


41 posted on 08/29/2006 1:48:42 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Freedom of religion means freedom to practice IslamĀ®)
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To: jveritas

I predict we will lose the House narrowly and retain the Senate by a thin margin.


42 posted on 08/29/2006 2:08:54 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Did you work Ohio in Nov/04?


43 posted on 08/29/2006 3:53:43 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: nicollo

No.


44 posted on 08/29/2006 3:58:12 PM PDT by kabar
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To: calex59

I really hope you're right...it would be a good thing for America...


45 posted on 08/29/2006 4:02:53 PM PDT by The Wizard (DemonRATS: enemies of America)
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To: kabar; Common Tator
If you weren't there in Ohio, then don't talk that '04 shoulda been a cakewalk. What won in '04 was local work, not national -- Ohio especially. You talk general trends, while the election was won precinct to precinct.

That's called politics.

CT, thought you'd be interested in some of this talk about '04.

46 posted on 08/29/2006 4:22:45 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: Obadiah; Don'tMessWithTexas; Nomorjer Kinov
Seriously, most people know this. If you drive a Subaru there is a 95% chance you are a Democrat. The addition of the Sierra Club thing just raises that probability to 100%.
Seems obvious? What about the Suburu buyer who subscribes to hunting magazines? Using consumer data for get-out-the-vote drives is genius. It's a new world in advertising, and old ways ain't working, and the same for politics. The Dim strategy has been same-old mailing to the same-old lists, now enhanced by email. But they're not turning anyone new. Matching votes and consumer data reveals specific opportunities that mailing lists can never show.

"Getting out the vote" has been turned upside down. Rove & Co. are using business techniques to identify clients and hit 'em up hard. When trying to identify new clients, you're wasting your time selling to old clients. They need reinforcement, yes, and, yes, you can bring out old clients who haven't been buying, but the trick is turn the non-buyers. Key to it is purchasing tendency. Identifying them by consumer practices seems obvious, but it's entirely new. No one pre-Rove joined consumer and voting patterns. Yes, it is new -- and effective -- and expensive.

47 posted on 08/29/2006 4:33:37 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: geezerwheezer
I promise you, it will be a blood bath on their side, and provide some super comedy for us to watch!

Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Dingy Harry Reid, Teddy the Hut, Schmuckie Schumer, Turban Durbin, Pinch Sulzberger and Alec Baldwin et al in an Ultimate Fighting Match.

Last man (or woman...or thing) standing wins the Minority Leadership. And the keys to George Soros' limo...

48 posted on 08/29/2006 4:46:40 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: nicollo
Yes, it is new -- and effective -- and expensive.

If you look at the data on turn out the Democrat turn out has shown a constant growth. But the Republican turn out is all over the place .. it climbed to 54 million in 1984 and did not exceed that until 2004.

'tators take on turn out

In a more practical sense when it comes down to canvasing, we are only canvasing precincts where at least 70 percent of the voters will vote Republican.

The pollsters are wrong about the turn out. They look upon the 2004 turn out as an aberration. After all, as my column documents, Republican turn out goes up and it also goes down. But that is the past.. and the turn out will not be as big as 2004, but it will be a lot bigger than 2002.

The polls are way off... because they are under sampling Republicans. And short of a special situation like the Taft situation in Ohio, Republicans will do quite well.

There is also the "Democrat spread the wealth plan" of Dean. He is putting money up for all house and senate races. Rove does not throw good money after bad. He does not try to effect the impossible dream. He puts the money where the most votes are and in the races we have a good chance to win.

There is also a tendency to put the campaign down to just an issue... like the war on terror. It is quite possible to determine what issues are important to which voters from the data in that data bank. The national issues make the national news, but the war is not the only issue. There are lots of people who are motivated by gun control, abortion, and moral values. Those issues are used on targeted voters.

50 posted on 08/29/2006 5:16:19 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: kabar
Rove had nothing to do with it.


51 posted on 08/29/2006 5:21:47 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: nicollo
I understand what you are saying. I was being rather tongue-in-cheek. But in all seriousness, what Rove and Co. have done is extraordinary, however, it is not novel to politics and get-out-the-vote. People have long pined to do what they have done, and in some measure people have done this. The problem has always been threefold as such:

1) It takes a huge, huge amount of money to do this.
2) It takes a huge amount of technical and people resources to pull it off. (Trust me, it becomes a very, very complicated thing to merge lists in multiple, large databases, i.e., duplicates, matches, etc.)
3) It is has always been a tough sell to get the right people to see the vision of doing this and then getting them to believe it can be done in the time it needs to be.

To his credit, Rove & Co. pulled this off on a near national level, and that is amazing!

We can all hope that Dr. Rove can resuscitate the patient one more time.
52 posted on 08/29/2006 5:51:48 PM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Obadiah

Good post. I'd only add that it's not just the amount of money but where it's spent.


53 posted on 08/29/2006 6:16:56 PM PDT by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: kabar
We shall see.

I predict we will hold the House by 5 to 7 seats and the Senate by 3 to 4 seats.

54 posted on 08/29/2006 6:17:11 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

I hope you are right.


55 posted on 08/29/2006 8:11:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: meandog
Thanks for the GOOD POST!

Here's a link to the article on NewsMax.com:http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/8/27/144857.shtml
56 posted on 08/30/2006 5:31:54 PM PDT by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: meandog
OOPS! Let's try that link again (sorry 'bout that SNAFU). :-)

Can Karl Rove Pull It Off?
57 posted on 08/30/2006 5:34:57 PM PDT by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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