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To: Dave S

I cannot state it any clearer than did a poster on another Harris thread earlier today:

People often use Christian for Judeo-Christian. Morally the two are inseparable.

The distinction is not between Christian and Other, it is between people of faith and people of anti-faith. Issues like this are thus not always great for soundbites, and are usually covered in religion journals, where the distinctions can be drawn. But anyone using their brain knows Harris isn't talking about favoring 'Christians' like Clinton or excluding Jews, et al. That's CLEARLY not the point.


31 posted on 08/27/2006 1:47:51 PM EDT by JohnnyZ (I ha' da Steve Nash DO befo' Steve Nash DID)
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Have none of you heard of the "Judeo-Christian ethic"? It is what unites Jews and Christians. It is what they share from Abraham. Does this frighten you?

Were the caliphate to begin its takeover of U.S. institutions tomorrow, whom do you think it would wish to place in office? Judeo-Christians? Or Atheistic Liberal Democrats who, as the Islamists do, despise Christianity and Judaism, but proceed as though they are only concerned about "secularization"?

Harris is the only one in Florida who supports HR 4437 (the House Immigration Enforcement Bill). What you stand for becomes ever more obvious the louder and more mean-sprited your attacks upon Ms. Harris become.


56 posted on 08/27/2006 12:20:09 PM PDT by 4Runner
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To: 4Runner
Let's clarify this a little for these anti-Creator numbnuts, shall we?:

The Declaration opens with a statement of personal dignity, an acknowledgment that "a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to separation."

Then comes some of the most revolutionary language in history:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

This reverses the usual order of things. It starts with all people being equal – not in intelligence, wisdom, wealth or other endowments, of course, but of equal dignity in the eyes of God and therefore before government. This natural equality denies the legitimacy of special privileges granted by government.

An "unalienable" right is one that cannot be taken away legitimately, and then not without doing damage to the very humanity of the person. Any institution that tries to deny or encroach upon these rights upsets nature and God's plan, for it is the Creator who grants these rights, not government or any other institution.

That's radical. - Alan W. Bock (Roots of American liberty, July 2, 2006)

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Methinks a lot of people on this thread need to study some metaphysics (I of course exclude you, 4Runner). ;-)

58 posted on 08/27/2006 12:32:07 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Hezbollah: Habitat for Humanity with an attitude)
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To: 4Runner
Have none of you heard of the "Judeo-Christian ethic"? It is what unites Jews and Christians. It is what they share from Abraham. Does this frighten you?

If Harris had said Judeo-Christian, I might have given her a pass but she didnt. And dont give me that crap about people often use Christian for Judeo Christian. Maybe the Christian Identity kooks or other nut cases but few people that I know. As far as the jews and Christians sharing the same tradition from Abraham, you left out out the Muslims. The Old Testament is part of the Koran and Jesus is considered a prophet. I dont hear Harris calling it the Islamic tradition.

87 posted on 08/27/2006 3:31:25 PM PDT by Dave S
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