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To: KeepUSfree
You wrote: "A club foot and cleft palette are a physical defects which prevent many physical activities and cause outward defects in speech and eating... And, there is no implied mental "defect" to go along with that physical one."

Actually, in addition to the cleft palate, my son had a somewhat defective Eustachian tube (abnormally short, and not tilted at an angle that would drain the ear canal into the back of the throat as a normal Eustachian tube would do.) As a result, he had chronic ear infections. This led to Central Auditory Processing Disorder (CAPD), which IS a mental defect which goes along with the physical one. In other words, he has a brain-related learning disability.

Let me make it clear: we love him regardless. And because we love him, we have been working with him for years to overcome the CAPD.

The analogy is this: a person who is born a hermaphrodite has an objective sexual defect. For one thing, their genitals are out of sync with their cellular sex. For another, their defect usually renders them infertile, unable to use their organs for successful procreation, either as a man or as a woman.

This is a very significant disability. Any legitimate surgery, drug or device which could restore the person's sexual reproductive ability would certainly be a blessing; and it would be a loving parent's duty to provide for healing intervention if it's available and possible and within their means to do so.

"There is nothing wrong with [hermaphrodites] except for the fact that they don't fit into your view of "male" or "female".

This is not just my view. This is our endowment as a mammalian species.

What you said is like saying "there is nothing wrong with a deaf-mute person except that they don't fit into your view of 'hearing' and 'speaking.' Please. This makes a mockery of our common desire for wholeness.

This is not to say that we must reject or ostracise people born deaf, mute, blind, cleft-palated, or hermaphroditic. It is just to say it would be a mercy if they could be helped to exercise all the powers which most of us possess as our human birthright.

123 posted on 08/25/2006 5:56:28 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God bless you.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
That's all well and good...but this is in reference to whether or not there are people who are "born gay".

And, they are. Being a hermaphrodite is just the FAR end of the spectrum. However, having the equivalent of "a female brain in a male body" is much closer to center. And, like it or not, some of those folks are gay.

It is not something that can or should be fixed. IT is just "the way it is".

YOu even state that a Hermie has "an OBJECTIVE sexual defect". "Objective", I believe, in this case, means "most people would think it's a defect". That's nice. But who are you to judge God's work. Maybe, in God's "objective" opinion, they are perfect.

And, as I stated, this is the far end. Some of God's children are born gay. Should they suffer in silence - as if their desires to have homosexual love were a punishment, or an evil to be overcome. No, that's vile.

They are what they are. YOu keep trying to make everything jive with "The Bible". It doesn't. The Bible is a flawed work corrupted by man. Nature and God don't give a Rat's butt about what some misguided lackey or corrupt power-hungry catholic priest wrote in a book 2,000 years ago.

Not that it doesn't contain truth - and some good rules for helping individuals and society.

But, to put so much importance on a work of man - while denying the works of God - evident all around you...is just ludicrous and sad.

126 posted on 08/25/2006 6:41:36 PM PDT by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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