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To: FreedomProtector
Your mined quotes do not demonstrate that the claim of evolution being fact is a "presuppositon".

Professor of Genetics, Dr. Whitten, University of Melbourne: “Biologists are simply naïve when they talk about experiments designed to test the theory of evolution. It is not testable. They may happen to stumble across facts which would seem to conflict with its predictions. These facts will invariably be ignored and their discoverers will undoubtedly be deprived of continuing research grants.” Professor Whitten, 1980 Assembly Week address, University of Melbourne.

Note that no evidence is given for Professor Whitten's claim.

Hoyle's caluclations are -- like many such calculations -- based upon completely unjustified premises. He calculates the odds of the chemcial components of life assembling all at once, but there is no reason to believe that the genesis of life involved such an evet happening all at once. Moreover, abiogenesis is not a part of the theory of evolution, and thus odds for or against it are not relevant to a discussion of evolution.
187 posted on 08/28/2006 8:12:53 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio
"Moreover, abiogenesis is not a part of the theory of evolution, and thus odds for or against it are not relevant to a discussion of evolution."

Spontaneous Generation/abiogenesis is central/vitally important to the belief of evolution. If one starts with the presupposition, Carl Sagan's unverifiable assertion, that "matter is all there is." or "The Cosmos is all there is, all there has been and all there ever will be.", one has to believe that life came from matter because "that is all that there is".

Life in all of its beauty, complexity and order had to come from somewhere, either it came from matter because "that is all there is", or it come from something external to matter because it is mathematically vastly improbable to arrive from just matter.

Oh, but wait, that doesn't fit our original presupposition that "that matter is all there is", so we must must try to explain the mathematically vastly improbable so we must believe and explain via "prebiotic soup", "primordial oooze"....

Are you willing to put your faith in something vastly mathematically improbable, because you don't want to change your original presupposition that "matter is all there is". Perhaps it may be time for you to consider the possibility that there may be something external to matter....an intelligent Designer...i.e.God
190 posted on 08/30/2006 9:05:35 AM PDT by FreedomProtector
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