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Senator Craig shouted down at feisty forum on immigration
The Times-News ^ | August 23, 2006

Posted on 08/23/2006 2:43:28 PM PDT by Shermy

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To: RegulatorCountry

Yeah, white people never work in construction or production plants. In fact, until the illegals came around, we all lived in tents and hunted for our food.

(vomit)


101 posted on 08/23/2006 5:21:30 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: Lizavetta

Too many Republicans are in the pockets of their business cash cows. It is expected that they'll deliver protection for those businesses in D.C. That kind of elitism is exactly what defeated Murkowski in Alaska last night, and quite a few other big business Republicans will lose this fall. The "little people" have had it on the illegal immigration issue, and the GOP will pay the price for their stubborn allegiance to big ag and big corporations.


102 posted on 08/23/2006 5:25:08 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: PEACE ENFORCER

Don't marginalize these people by calling them "libs."

You aren't fooling anyone.


103 posted on 08/23/2006 5:26:25 PM PDT by stands2reason (ANAGRAM for the day: Socialist twaddle == Tact is disallowed)
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To: DuncanWaring
Have you ever "sanded sheetrock"? I have. Hated it. But I'd do it again if I had to.

I haven't sanded sheetrock, but I have bussed tables and cleaned toilets and sometimes bussing tables was more disgusting. People are pigs at reastaurants and today I try to makes the bussers job easier by cleaning up crumbs and arranaging the plates to make the bussers job easier.

Also I am not going to berate a restaurant owner over the people he hires to clean up after some piggish people, as you seem to do.

104 posted on 08/23/2006 5:26:27 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: kittymyrib
Too many Republicans are in the pockets of their business cash cows.

Oh those evil businesses. Hillary is that you posting?

105 posted on 08/23/2006 5:30:03 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Also I am not going to berate a restaurant owner over the people he hires to clean up after some piggish people, as you seem to do.

Show me a post of mine where I've done that.

Just one.

I bet you can't.

106 posted on 08/23/2006 5:36:12 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Also Duncan I worked at a 2,000 room resort in Florida as a bellman.

One time I went to a room to pick up the luggage of 4 Long Island princesses in Florida for spring break. The room was a mess. You could not see the rug on the floor becuase the whole room was covered with beer cans. The hispanic housekeeper came to make a cursory check of the room and her eyes glazed over basically saying "oy vey". I felt sorry for her, so before you go berating people, maybe you should take a job as a housekeeper for a day.

107 posted on 08/23/2006 5:39:05 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: kesg

LOL Marvin looks like I feel about a whole bunch of issues.


108 posted on 08/23/2006 5:42:02 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Shermy
While the information from Wikipedia is correct, it is not accurate.

The Senate was allowed to amend the supplemental spending bill because the House had previously amended the bill with Real ID and the San Diego fence.

The Senate didn't want to hold the bill hostage but they wanted to have a "test vote" to see if the Senate had the will to pass a immigration reform bill. In fact, Kennedy and McCain had completed their bill but would not introduce it until there was a test vote. The 60 vote requirement was established because there was definately not 60 votes for the bill.

As a stand alone bill, AgJobs was not viable since it dealt with ag workers only but it was sutible as a surrogate for McCain-Kennedy since both bills had the "path to citizenship" language. It was introduced and recieved 53 votes(40 dem and 13 pub)

The second test vote was an amendment by Sen Chambliss which was AgJobs with all the "path to citizenship" language removed. This was the surrogate to the Bush Plan. It recieved 22 votes, all republican.

109 posted on 08/23/2006 5:44:45 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Dane
...so before you go berating people,...

Which people am I berating?

Yet another rash accusation on your part, totally unfounded in fact.

I've also worked construction outdoors at 113 degrees F.

I would much rather have been picking up beer cans, no matter how many, in an air-conditioned hotel room.

110 posted on 08/23/2006 5:45:56 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
Duncan,

Dane is baiting you. The issue is national sovereignty, not whether or not you guys worked hard at various times in your life. Everybody that has succeeded in life (helped the nation and themselves) has worked hard. Most of us still do.
111 posted on 08/23/2006 5:55:16 PM PDT by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Nuc1; DuncanWaring
Dane is baiting you. The issue is national sovereignty, not whether or not you guys worked hard at various times in your life.

I'm not baiting anyone, just pointing out that the people who rail against immigration the most usually sit behind a desk or microphone and berate and pontificate against people who own businesses and the people they hire.

Glen Beck said tonight that he wants to choke businesses basically becuase of the people they hire.

He sounded hillaryish with the venom coming out about basically people who are farmers or own evil janitorial services.

112 posted on 08/23/2006 6:02:41 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: ElkGroveDan
Does anyone think that these people will stay in those jobs once they get legal residency?

A lot of the illegals are bypassing the agriculture and day-labor jobs in favor of more lucrative construction and jobs done for homeowners.

So who's going to fill those other jobs? Why, more illegals of course.

Craig and the GOP are out to lunch on immigration and deserve to get the Bronx cheers.

113 posted on 08/23/2006 6:03:49 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: Idaho Whacko

Welcome to FR!


114 posted on 08/23/2006 6:04:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (404 Page Error Found)
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To: Dane

How the hell did this country ever survive without being overrun by illegals?


115 posted on 08/23/2006 6:12:24 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Idaho Whacko

I hope the voters throw the bumb out! I'm tired of politicans not listening to the people who put them in power. We don't live in a dictatorship, but many in congress and the senate are acting like it!


116 posted on 08/23/2006 6:19:34 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; ElkGroveDan

Exactly.

Until the flow of fresh illegals is stopped, there will always be somebody that can afford to work cheaper than somebody paying taxes and that an employer can skip benefits, etc. Once any of the current illegals become in any way "legal" they will also become more expensive to the employer -- probably with the result that they end up unemployed and added to the welfare rolls.

The whole idea of legalizing any of these people and them still filling the low-wage niche is just nonsense. Can't happen. Instead, they'll just become eligible for all the welfare-state goodies and vote Dem. Republican politicians supporting such amnesty or increased immigration plans are just signing their own political death warrants.


117 posted on 08/23/2006 6:26:30 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I say we should flat-tax the Kyoto treaty all the way back to the security council ! -- Dogbert)
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To: stands2reason
In fact, until the illegals came around, we all lived in tents and hunted for our food.

don't you remember? we had other minorities to grow our food on the plantation.

118 posted on 08/23/2006 6:29:01 PM PDT by alrea
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To: GovernmentShrinker

[When employers can hire legal workers for what the employer thinks they're worth, and fire them whenever they are no longer wanted or needed, many employers will eagerly do so.]

Yes. And if an actual shortage of legal workers should cause the wage to rise well above the current minimum wage, that's fine too. Maybe producers will look to innovation again rather than the quick fix of cheap labor.

I'd rather see many of these manual labor jobs disappear and be replaced by automation than see us rely on uneducated, unskilled workers who can never really participate in our society.


119 posted on 08/23/2006 6:35:40 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (I say we should flat-tax the Kyoto treaty all the way back to the security council ! -- Dogbert)
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To: Idaho Whacko
Craig is a twit. I got a couple of emails from him telling me how people who call the immigration billin the senate "amnesty" are misleading others. He isn't listening to our concerns, he is trying to figure out how to spin things in his direction. He is very insulting, and I hope he loses the next primary on this issue.

He also supports in-state tuition for illegals, and driving privilages.

I'm amazed to see just how stupid our "leaders" are. Their "cheap labor" will end the day they become "legal" because they WON'T work for low wages. We already know they protest and DEMAND more rights when they're not even citizens. All our idiot congress critters are doing is taking cheap labor away from the corporations they are trying to help, and they're too blind to see it. The unions are already working with illegals and they will teach them how to demand higher wages and more benefits when they become legalized. Btw, welcome to Free Republic!

120 posted on 08/23/2006 6:38:19 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW ISLAM ARE KORANIMALS!)
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